Artificial Deity: Universe Impact of Creation?

[GladScientist]

In order for my question to make sense, assume an atheistic model of the universe. I'm not saying that an atheistic model is the correct one, I'm just making speculations about it. This thread is NOT here for you to debate on the God's existence or lack thereof.

Anyways, the question is: do you believe that a god could eventually be created, artificially? Perhaps by some highly, highly advanced civilization? If it did happen, what would happen to our universe? Would the universe instantly change due to the being's will? If the being had four-dimensional control, would our existence disappear entirely as the being changes the universe at every point on t to it's will?

 

[Calrid]

Sure hence religion. :tongue:

Of course it could be created, if we met a race that was so superior to us that they could not even be comprehended and we were but ameobas to the them, then they would seem as gods. Now a days we would say that say the Q continuum was not a God but his/their power being limitless means there is no potential difference between them and God.

That said no ultimately no God could be designed because anything designed would not be God, God has no first cause by definition like the Universe by theoretical practicality at least atm. Other non infinitely supreme beings like the Greek Gods or the Sidhe of Celtic myth sure. Since in some myths the Sidhe are seen as other worldly and some have suggested therefore more alien and of a race than gods per se.

We could create a deity only if it was non Christian and didn't assume no first cause. Whether it would actually be a deity though is a matter of semantics probably.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Q_Continuum"

Overview

The Q are a unique race, and they possesses many extraordinary, "God-like" powers including the ability to manipulate time, space, matter, and energy. They have an almost omnipotent ability to perceive and know events in the past, present, and future. They are invulnerable and immortal except when faced with weapons designed by others of their kind: in sufficient numbers, Q can strip other Q of their powers and make them mortal or make them any lifeform they wish.

It is suggested through their appearances on the various series of Star Trek that the Q have evolved since the Big Bang to their current state, and that possibly they were like humans very early on.

One member of the Q once referred to a "New Era" among the Continuum, during which an important change occurred in the species. No further details were given. The Continuum is on a separate plane of existence and thus not subject to linear time as normal space is. It has been suggested by Quinn that when the Q gave up their physicality and achieved their godlike powers, they also gave up any chance of growth or evolution, thus leading to stagnation (since change was unnecessary).

They usually appear as human simply because they can assume any form they wish, and when interacting with humans they usually appear as one of them to make the humans feel more comfortable.

In the episode "All Good Things..." Q mentions that Picard is destined to explore existence itself. Q's meaning of that statement has never been explained in any episode or movie of Star Trek.

 

[GladScientist]

Sure hence religion. :tongue:

Of course it could be created, if we met a race that was so superior to us that they could not even be comprehended and we were but ameobas to the them, then they would seem as gods. Now a days we would say that say the Q continuum was not a God but his/their power being limitless means there is no potential difference between them and God.

That said no ultimately no God could be designed because anything designed would not be God, God has no first cause by definition like the Universe by theoretical practicality at least atm.

Perhaps I should clarify. My person definition of a god is a being with omniscience and omnipotence.

 

[Calrid]

Perhaps I should clarify. My person definition of a god is a being with omniscience and omnipotence.

No then since such concepts are philosophically contradictory in Christianity. They also have no real meaning in reality, a being can only be as powerful < than the some total of energy in the universe so omnipotence is scientifically impossible. Only a being that existed outside of all there is such as God or Chronos (Time: the first cause of the Greek pantehon) could be omnipotent and even then it is rather troubling philosophically.

 

[GladScientist]

No then since such concepts are philosophically contradictory in Christianity. They also have no real meaning in reality, a being can only be as powerful < than the some total of energy in the universe so omnipotence is scientifically impossible. Only a being that existed outside of all there is such as God or Chronos (Time: the first cause of the Greek pantehon) could be omnipotent and even then it is rather troubling philosophically.

Well, would it be possible for an organism to BECOME the universe? Perhaps it wouldn't be able to get ALL of the matter and energy (because it can never catch some of the light/radiation), but it would in some senses essentially still be a god. Perhaps a being would just be a giant swarm of robotic drones that go around eating any matter/energy they find and converting some of it into energy via e=mc^2 and using it to propel themselves, and use some of it in the form of matter to replicate.

The beings would all be hive-minded, each one would have its own high intelligence. A race that is able to build machines that can convert energy and matter back and forth frequently should be able to make very advanced computers to fit into each drone, perhaps more each one being more intelligent than a modern human. And the beings could perhaps some kind of hive-mind system in which they communicate to create an extraordinarily intelligent, godly consciousness. It wouldn't be out of the question to say that the being could eventually become worthy of being considered God.

Would such a being be possible? Either way, brb writing science fiction novel.

 

[Calrid]

Well, would it be possible for an organism to BECOME the universe? Perhaps it wouldn't be able to get ALL of the matter and energy (because it can never catch some of the light/radiation), but it would in some senses essentially still be a god. Perhaps a being would just be a giant swarm of robotic drones that go around eating any matter/energy they find and converting some of it into energy via e=mc^2 and using it to propel themselves, and use some of it in the form of matter to replicate.

The beings would all be hive-minded, each one would have its own high intelligence. A race that is able to build machines that can convert energy and matter back and forth frequently should be able to make very advanced computers to fit into each drone, perhaps more each one being more intelligent than a modern human. And the beings could perhaps some kind of hive-mind system in which they communicate to create an extraordinarily intelligent, godly consciousness. It wouldn't be out of the question to say that the being could eventually become worthy of being considered God.

Would such a being be possible? Either way, brb writing science fiction novel.

No not really, because to do so it would at some point exist within the universe and that would be forbidden by natural laws. As it approached the infinite energy of the universe it would need infinite energy to become as powerful or energetic as it, and of course that would be forbidden by conservation of energy laws (just as matter is forbidden from traveling at c). Of course if its just sci fi wibble then you could evoke anything to explain the transition for being within the universe to all there is to greater than the universe. If there are multiverses then it becomes irrelevant, if reality was created by such a being in the first place then the rules might not apply except within that universe.

I myself had an idea for a story about a group of powerful beings called the elohim that created something like a Q continuum and then because they fell from it or "heaven" after a great war amongst their species, they forgot and bred with people on Earth until few examples of their power remained. It was meant as an explanation of the false religion of Christianity, like with all myths though it had an element of truth. Some men manifested powers through history most were burned or crucified. The story started in 2010 or now, or 1993 or so when I first thought of the idea.

 

[Math Is Hard]

This doesn't seem to meet our latest Philosophy guidelines.

https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=47294

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