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An Australian response to Intelligent Design

  1. Oct 28, 2005 #1

    marcus

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    http://www.theage.com.au/news/natio...-design-a-faith/2005/10/28/1130400365346.html

    October 29, 2005

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    Kosky rules intelligent design a faith

    Victoria's government schools will treat intelligent design as a religious faith, not science, Education Minister Lynne Kosky has ruled.

    In her first statement on the subject, Ms Kosky reaffirmed the principle that government schools were secular and did not promote any religion.

    She said the two areas in which religion could be discussed were optional religious education lessons and VCE studies comparing religions.

    "In line with the above principles, schools can decide whether to offer intelligent design as part of religious instruction," Ms Kosky said. "Parents will be given the opportunity to withdraw their child from the lesson." ...

    ...Last week a coalition representing 70,000 Australian scientists and teachers likened it to the flat-earth theory.
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  4. Oct 28, 2005 #3

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    Woo hoo! That's wonderful news. At least Australian educators have their heads screwed on straight.
     
  5. Oct 28, 2005 #4

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    Thanks Marcus, nice to know that at least Australians have the sense to call it what it is.
     
  6. Oct 28, 2005 #5

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    Hmm... looks like these aussies need to go look up the definition for 'religion'.
     
  7. Oct 28, 2005 #6
    Sweet, awesome news!
     
  8. Oct 28, 2005 #7

    Danger

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    Good on ya, mate! I hoist a Foster's to your government.:biggrin:
     
  9. Oct 28, 2005 #8

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    Thank GOD (or whatever) that humanity is blessed with the pure and pristine practice of non-faith offered by science. Because, afterall, if anyone ever found a single science type practicing any sort of blind faith whatsoever, then that would TOTALLY discredit the entire field of science (right?).

    So let's all join together in a secular prayer to the omnipotent Mechanics God and condemn the obviously mindless opposition to scientific speculations (what else could anyone be BUT mindless if they don't buy science theories 100%?). :cool:
     
  10. Oct 28, 2005 #9

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    so.....what's intelingent design?
     
  11. Oct 28, 2005 #10

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    To me, put in it's simplest form, science is based on facts and observation, while religion is based on faith and belief. Science should not intrude upon religion and religion should not intrude upon science.

    Intelligent design is an attempt to intrude religion upon science.
     
  12. Oct 28, 2005 #11

    Les Sleeth

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    It isn't that I think intelligent design is right! It's that I don't think anyone knows the answer, yet the mechanists incessantly condescend around here.

    If you were someone like me, who really doesn't care what the answer turns out to be as long as it makes sense, then you might see how hypocritical it seems for the science side to be outraged at ID's attempts to get in the creation-theory game. There are HUGE gaps in physicalist theory, which is every bit as glossed over with blind faith theories as on the ID side.

    That and that alone is the reason for my sarcasm. The pot calling the kettle black.
     
  13. Oct 28, 2005 #12

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    And you believe that what "makes sense" to you is a valid measuring stick?

    Zz.
     
  14. Oct 28, 2005 #13

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    Well its certainly not a religion. That's like saying creationism is religion. I think the idea is as absurd as that ruling saying atheism is a religion. It's not a religion, its not a scientic theory, and should not be labeled as either.
     
  15. Oct 28, 2005 #14

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    My father, who was a minister for 58 years, defined religion as "one's total response to the whole of life". Whether or not that fits the opinion of any particular dictionary, it came from an expert on the subject (Masters in Religious Studies from McGill). By it, science and atheism are both religions. ID just happens to be the belief of pointedly unscientific denominations.
     
  16. Oct 28, 2005 #15

    Pengwuino

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    Hmm sounds like communism. No one really seems to have a definition for it and no one can agree on what it really is in detail.
     
  17. Oct 28, 2005 #16

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    Not a religion, but a religious belief. There is no evidence to support ID, just belief.
     
  18. Oct 28, 2005 #17

    Pengwuino

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    Thus, not a religion, thank you.
     
  19. Oct 28, 2005 #18

    Moonbear

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    What's condescending about calling it like it is? ID is NOT a scientific theory; there is no actual evidence to support it. Those who believe it believe based on faith, not evidence or facts. Evolution has the weight of evidence backing it. That's why it makes good sense to teach ID as part of religious or faith-based studies and evolution as part of science studies.
     
  20. Oct 28, 2005 #19

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    Les, are you aware of what the stated goals are of the ID proponents?

    Governing Goals

    To defeat scientific materialism and its destructive moral, cultural and political legacies.

    To replace materialistic explanations with the theistic understanding that nature and human beings are created by God.


    http://www.antievolution.org/features/wedge.html

    You do know that "The Wedge Strategy" is from the Discovery Institute, the inventors of Intelligent Design.

    Did you really not know about this?
     
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  21. Oct 28, 2005 #20

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    Nobody said it was a religion, so what's your point? The article said "religious faith", and the quote from the education minister said it would be taught as part of "religious instruction," he didn't say it was going to be dubbed a religion.
     
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