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Analysis of Katrina and Rita Weather Pattern, thorough and anomilous

  1. Sep 29, 2005 #1

    This is one of the best sources ive come across for analysis that isnt riddled with excessive exclamation points and absurd conspiracy conclusions :rolleyes: .

    Discuss. Im halfway through so far.
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  3. Sep 29, 2005 #2
    I see nothing to discuss. This is in the wrong forum - it ought to be hidden away in skepticism & debunking ASAP, before it traumatizes someone.
  4. Sep 29, 2005 #3


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    Eee gads, not again!
  5. Sep 29, 2005 #4
    Every time I watch the weather, regarding the onset of hurricanes in the Gulf Of Mexico, I am struck by how well they fit in there. Meaning, the terrain, has obviously been shaped by this pattern of weather over geologic time. These storms are nothing new. However there is a new politics of the weather depending on whether you are anti global warming, or democrat; or in denial of global warming, republican. A relative whom I know is active in the John Birch Society and lives in Gulf Port Mississippi, gave me a somewhat scripted reply in regards to the weather of late. It is a part of a twenty year pattern.

    I have heard many discussions of weather control and massive ground arrays that disturb the ionosphere, and shift jet streams, and etc...

    The one thing I think that could have to do with this new weather pattern, besides global warming, is the Atlanta Airport. Many new hubs were opened there, and perhaps that cutting of the atmosphere and the landing patterns, shred some of the inertial the resistance that storms might face. I noticed that when a travel company opened a whole bunch of new flights west out of Salt Lake bound for Hawaii, Salt Lake began to have spring earlier, and we got drier, as if the departing flights disrupted fronts forming, that might have brought rain. There is a weird weather thing peculiar to the Salt Lake Valley, caused by the Great Salt Lake, called The Lake Affect. We also had our driest years ever, while the AF prepared for Iraq, out to the West, much, much air traffic, North to South interrupting the air flow.

    Go ahead and shoot me. The pictures of the air traffic over Atlanta, look just like a continuation of a hurricane, as if the flow pattern there would facilitate the round shape of hurricane air flow.
  6. Sep 29, 2005 #5
    Hyperdimensional may or may not have been a term coined by Richard Hoagland, i dont know and its not important. Most of the info in the article i had come across before, but the radar anomoly was interesting to me-no precipitation or anything else suspended in the atmosphere was present, yet radar was being reflected. I wont say it is explained in this article, but it is detailed. I dont think anyone has an explanation, i dont think this implies foul play (unless you want it to). I think its thought provoking.

    EDIT: i cant believe this is now in a forum with titles like "yeti" and "ghost" :confused:
  7. Sep 29, 2005 #6
    Yetis are reasonable. Much more so than "hyperdimensional hurricanes". Hoagland is a raving crackpot. Notice he links somes of the NEXRAD images to NOAAs site - except for the funny-looking ones! Thoses he hosts himself. Smoking gun?

    On the topic of real nexrad anomalies and how they're formed, go to this site.
  8. Sep 29, 2005 #7
    Not sure what you mean by that.

    The nexrad anomolies on that site all have nothing to do with circumstances in existance at the time of the august 17th nexrad radar shots.

    What is your evidence to suggest that hoagland is a raving crackpot
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    *becomes traumatized*
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  11. Sep 29, 2005 #10
    Yes Hoagland is a crackpot. He can sound relatively sane at times but after a while of listening to him you just wince when ever you hear his voice. Listening to Coast to Coast I have heard him far too many times.
  12. Sep 29, 2005 #11

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    So true! :rofl:
  13. Sep 30, 2005 #12
    ha, all that thread is is about 6 people saying hoagland is a crank and cronkite "roasted him."

    i havent read anything insane yet, im willing to be shown otherwise if someone dared....

    katrina is still suspicious
  14. Sep 30, 2005 #13

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    Well, for starters, there was supposed to be a civilization on Mars and he made a huge fuss about this for years. Since the rovers didn't find one, he decided that the real place of interest is now Titan. Since he won't live long enough to be proven wrong on that one, he has a nice safe conspiracy theory.
  15. Sep 30, 2005 #14
    Try this link.

    The BA is usually a pretty straight shooter from my experience.

    To me, the biggest indicator of Hoagland's reliability is reading his articles. Some of them seem to be downright silly. In the normal course of science, you're probably going to come across things you don't understand. A good scientist will try and gather as much data as possible and try and determine the most likely cause. Mr. Hoagland's methodology seems to be:

    1. Choose some really wild explanation for the phenomenon.
    2. Pick out any bit of data that *might* support that theory and claim it 'proves' it.
    3. Ignore any contrary evidence if possible.
    4. If it's not possible to ignore evidence that contradicts the theory, claim that it's a conspiracy by the government to hide the truth.
  16. Sep 30, 2005 #15
    hmm i dont know. the guy is a litle farfetched, he could be a crackpot i will have to keep reading and come to final conclusion. then again, who ever believes a conspiracy theorist? Honestly, even if this guy is putting out the most bizarre, mind boggling, self incriminating nonsense, no ones going to believe him even if its true-but i agree he is still nuts for this whether it is true or not.
  17. Sep 30, 2005 #16
    An awful lot of people in this day and age. Just pick a popular conspiracy theory and punch it into Google. You'll get thousands of hits. Conspiracies are sexy. Who wants boring old science or 'most likely' explanations when you can have a much more entertaining explanation that involves cover-ups at the highest levels of government.

    I guess part of the problem is that any of the stories could be true. Taking an example, let's suppose the 'face' on Mars really is a face and it was built by an intelligent civilization living on Mars. In order to pull this off, you've got to get a large number of people at JPL, NASA, etc in on the plan to retouch any new images. The face has to be doctored so that it doesn't look like a face anymore, along with any other evidence that might be photographed. You've now got dozens, if not hundreds of people in on the conspiracy, yet somehow they manage keep it a secret, at least until someone like Hoagland comes along and exposes it.

    To me, this is just a little too much to believe. Three guys can't rob a liquor store without one of them bragging about the deed to his friends, yet we're to believe dozens of scientists, who supposedly dedicate their lives to the pursuit of knowledge, are able to keep quiet. I'm just not buying it.
  18. Sep 30, 2005 #17
    Well it wouldnt necessarily need to be that complex of a cover-up inside nasa. I mean the images arent broadcast to the entirety of the nasa workforce, whos to say it isnt sent to a small team who analyses them and checks with a boss, and then these are filtered down to everyone else.

    I dont believe hoagland, but i dont believe what he says is impossible either, or further still, even highly unlikely. It all seems possible just completely contrary to an intelligent mind's train of thought. conspiracies are sexy though :wink:
  19. Oct 1, 2005 #18


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    If recent hurricanes really have displayed anomalous behavior that meteorology cannot explain, you could always buy the Al Qaeda theory that God is doing it.
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