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Ancient Sky Map Or Fake?

  1. Mar 22, 2005 #1
    Source; The Guardian - London, UK

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/arts/news/story/0,11711,1427600,00.html

    03-01-05

    Ancient Sky Map Or Fake? German Experts Row Over Star Disc

    Luke Harding in Berlin
    The Guardian

    quote:"One of Germany's most acclaimed archaeological finds - a 3,600-
    year-old disc depicting the stars and the planets - is at the
    centre of a dispute following claims that it is a modern
    forgery.

    According to Germany's museum establishment, the Sky Disc of
    Nebra is the oldest depiction of the heavens discovered and
    offers an insight into the Bronze Age mind."
     
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  3. Mar 23, 2005 #2
    http://www.megalithic.co.uk/article.php?sid=2146412072
    Thats a tuff call, but in the art of that period one can trace, for the first time, vivid plots, related with the mythology so a star chart is not that far fetched.
    The material is what should be investagated, there are ways to tell new{made to look old} metals from old. I'm suprised it hasen't already been done.
     
  4. Mar 23, 2005 #3
    Check this out. A map supposedly drawn from space, that is possibly 120 million years old.

    Map of the creator
     
  5. Mar 24, 2005 #4
    I read about this, and I was very interested in it, but I have heard nothing since.
     
  6. Mar 24, 2005 #5

    russ_watters

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    The skymap looks moderately interesing - the piece of grooved sedementary rock looks pretty mundane.
     
  7. Mar 28, 2005 #6

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    So let me get this straight:



    Piece of rock has grooves which resemble rocks elsewhere


    Thefore


    ALIENS/GOD



    The logic escapes me! :surprised
     
  8. Mar 28, 2005 #7

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    Logic? I think I see your problem... :rolleyes:
     
  9. Mar 28, 2005 #8
    The articles implied that this was not just rock, but were large fused layered objects about 1 foot thick, and seven feet in heighth. I read that this was clearly a topo map of the area, where the large items have been for 120 million years, as the first account read. It was also said that the roughly rectangular pieces fit together, and had something like crop marks or marks of making.

    It would be so cool to find something like that. The central asian land mass would be the only place I can think of that might hold evidence of the sort, since it has been a land mass for a very long time. I think that oldest "made" artifacts of any kind should be found there.
     
  10. Mar 28, 2005 #9
    I think I am thinking about some different sky maps, meaning these were perfect topo maps of an area in central asia. Not the European sky map. Sorry.
     
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  12. Mar 28, 2005 #11

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    Hey Dayle, Pravda has gone the way of the grocery store papers - they'll print anything these days. Moscow News is barely any better.
     
  13. Mar 29, 2005 #12

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    Interested to see how this develops. I think National Geographic ran a story about the disc back in Jan 2004. If it's a real artifact, it's an amazing find. If not, then :grumpy:
     
  14. Mar 29, 2005 #13

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    Clearly, according to whom? Remember, this alleged map contains vast features that do not exist today. How can we really know the accuracy of a map that shows things that don't exist? The Grand Canyon is only about 70 million years old - little to nothing of what that map shows would exist today and be identifiable.
     
  15. Mar 29, 2005 #14
    Russ, pamphlets at the Grand Canyon, sold by the park service, state, that the Grand Canyon is only ~4000 years old! Hee. I just thought that whole article was interesting, I think that there is considerable resistance to any idea that conflicts with our preferred history, what ever that might be.
     
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  16. Mar 29, 2005 #15
    canyon info Growing numbers of geologists now believe that Marble Canyon and the Inner Gorge may be no more than 700,000 years old — veritable infants on the geologic time scale, and much younger than the earlier 3-million- to 5-million–year-old estimates. Some scientists now believe that a third of the canyon’s depth may have been cut in the blink of a geologic eye — perhaps during the past 600,000 to 700,000 years
     
  17. Mar 30, 2005 #16
    I'm assuming you mean the star map, and according to my perception of it it is merely an engraving of the stars in the sky, of which stars do burn out...and light stops coming to earth..so thus things that were then, could have burned out by now
     
  18. Mar 30, 2005 #17
    hmmm...

    maybe there is more in the mahabharata and ramayana about vailixi and vimana than meets the eye
     
  19. Mar 30, 2005 #18

    Ivan Seeking

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    Don't you think that makes it a little difficult to verify? :biggrin:

    This brings up an interesting question. Does anyone know how many previously visible stars have disappeared or gone Nova, in recorded history? I would only expect a few, at most.
     
  20. Mar 31, 2005 #19

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    No, I mean the topo map.
     
  21. Mar 31, 2005 #20
    oh, well then wheather erotion, and perhaps it was made before the ice age, or during the later stages, i mean after all its said the entire grand canyon and rocky mountain range was formed from a giant glacier sliding across the americas

    Ivan, Granted it would have to be verified that those stars did once exist, personaly i believe that its possible to have been created long ago, but yes i do see where your coming - also does anyone know the ave lifespan of a star?
     
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