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A Angle trisection

  1. Mar 31, 2016 #1
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  3. Mar 31, 2016 #2

    micromass

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    The constructions in the website are not angle trisection. They trisect a square, or equivalently, a line segment. This is pretty well known.
     
  4. Mar 31, 2016 #3
    but one might put the square on the bottom of the angle where angle's bisection line comes in the middle of the square.
     
  5. Mar 31, 2016 #4

    micromass

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    I don't know what you mean. Angle trisection is impossible with ruler and compass anyway (but possible with origami).
     
  6. Mar 31, 2016 #5
    i mean that if there is an angle, one might construct an square between the lines of the angle and split this square into 3 parts. wouldnt be the lines trisecting the area trisect also the angle?
     
  7. Mar 31, 2016 #6

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    I don't know what 'square between the lines of the angle' means.
     
  8. Mar 31, 2016 #7
    ok, sorry for my English. Imagine capital A letter, the dash in the A would be the upper edge of the square
     
  9. Mar 31, 2016 #8

    micromass

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    OK. I got it.

    No, this does not yield a trisection of the angle.
     
  10. Mar 31, 2016 #9
    thats the part i dont understand exactly. if i split the area into 3 parts, why the points where the lines touch the edge are not splitting the angle.
    is it because the angle connection between 2 upper contact points (between the lines and the square) would be round and the square is a straight line?
    or is it something else?
     
  11. Mar 31, 2016 #10

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    That is a very old mistake. Crossing an angle with a line perpendicular to the bisector of the angle, trisecting the line segment, then drawing lines from the vertex through the line segment trisecting points does NOT trisect the angle.
     
  12. Mar 31, 2016 #11

    micromass

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    Try to prove that it does trisect the angle. Then you will see your error.
     
  13. Mar 31, 2016 #12

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    But to give you an idea. Try to draw an angle very very close to 180°
    Then trisect that angle using your method. You'll see straight away that it doesn't work.
     
  14. Mar 31, 2016 #13
    i dont think i am qualified for that. thats why i asked what is wrong about believing it might trisect the angle
     
  15. Mar 31, 2016 #14
    ok i will try it
     
  16. Mar 31, 2016 #15

    micromass

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    You have to appreciate the fact that it is impossible to answer this question. You have a certain belief that is not based on rational arguments but merely on "this should work". This is not a bad thing, everybody has these kind of ideas and some of them work brilliantly. This is how ideas in science originate. The point in math is then to back up this intuitive idea with a rigorous proof. This is where you'll find that your idea is either flawed, or it works.

    Sure, I can see there is merit in your ideas. And at first, I might agree with you that it might work. But since you have presented no rational and rigorous argument for why it works, it is impossible for me to say why your idea does not work. There simply isn't enough substance here. The only thing we can do is try a proof that it does or does not work. After this, we find that it doesn't. The sensible thing is to abandon the idea, even though it still seems intuitively appealing.

    "Why doesn't the sun revolve around the earth?", "Why doesn't light come from my eyes when I see objects". Those are all very decent hypotheses. They just don't work. Why not? Because they don't.

    I'm sorry if this is not the answer you expect.

    Also, try to download and use a program called geogebra. It's very useful to make these kind of constructions with good accuracy.
     
  17. Mar 31, 2016 #16
    it looks like drawn in the perspective so it "feels good" but the broader the angle the less equal the parts get.
     
  18. Mar 31, 2016 #17

    micromass

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    Exactly. To trisect an angle, you need to trisect the circle segment "build inside the angle", and not the line segment. The two are not equivalent.
     
  19. Mar 31, 2016 #18

    micromass

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    Do you know trigonometry?
     
  20. Mar 31, 2016 #19
    regarding your 'long' message: I assumed that this is not working because otherwise it would be a known solution. but it felt really good (i used that for drawing, not for calculations)
     
  21. Mar 31, 2016 #20

    micromass

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    I will agree it feels really really good. It does so with me too. But closer inspection reveals that it doesn't work.
     
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