Another mini-stroke tonight

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I was taking Duke for a walk around our house, which he really enjoys because there is no collar or leash required. We got down to the back yard and I went down HARD. He went back up to the house, and my wife came out and helped me up and helped me back to the house.

She has issued a decree that I must always have a working cell-phone on me when I leave the house - no exceptions. Duke is a great second line of defense, but how can he help me when my wife is not home? She's also going to call on our doctor to get a waiver to let her leave work when I might be in trouble.

Getting old ain't for sissies.
 

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I was taking Duke for a walk around our house, which he really enjoys because there is no collar or leash required. We got down to the back yard and I went down HARD. He went back up to the house, and my wife came out and helped me up and helped me back to the house.

She has issued a decree that I must always have a working cell-phone on me when I leave the house - no exceptions. Duke is a great second line of defense, but how can he help me when my wife is not home? She's also going to call on our doctor to get a waiver to let her leave work when I might be in trouble.

Getting old ain't for sissies.
What part of your body is paralyzed? It's not funny turbo, my dad suffered two massive strokes, the first one paralyzed him on one side of his body, his face sagged on one side, his vocal cords paralyzed. The second one killed him. Maybe you started to faint. That's NOT a stroke!

Go to the doctor if you are having fainting spells, but do not claim it was a stroke.
 
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Go see a doctor. This is NOT a joke.
 
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I sure hope that Evo's right. Better get a good check up, Turbo. All the best.
 
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I'm so sorry to hear this turbo. I wish I could do something. :cry:
 
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Taking stock today, I have lost a bit more of my steadiness when walking. On the up-side, the pain/burning in my right foot has moderated a bit.
 
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So you've made a doc appt right?

Yeah Turbo; quit f#%&ng around. See a doctor even if it means your allergies getting all messed up. You don't want to get Darwin award right?

Good luck,
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That's not good. :frown: We care about you turbo, you need to see the doctor. Duke is a great buddy, but your wife is right about having a phone. Hope you take good care of yourself.
 
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I'm sorry to hear that, Turbo. Do take good care.
 
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I'm hanging in there. If I go see a doctor, he and his staff will have me sick for days with respiratory distress, migraines, flared-up arthritis, etc. Then, as doctors like to do, he will want me to go to the hospital to have unspecified "tests" done, exposing me to lots of other people wearing fragrances. People in the medical industry have no idea what "fragrance-free" means. None.
 
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I'm hanging in there. If I go see a doctor, he and his staff will have me sick for days with respiratory distress, migraines, flared-up arthritis, etc. Then, as doctors like to do, he will want me to go to the hospital to have unspecified "tests" done, exposing me to lots of other people wearing fragrances. People in the medical industry have no idea what "fragrance-free" means. None.
Fragrances won't kill you, but blood clots will. No sympathy for you if you won't get treatment.
 
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Turbo,

I was doing a drive by and saw the thread, distress flags went up, quit being so damn stubborn and drag your raggedly *** into the Dr's office and get tests, make sure your clotting factor is not screwed up. My neighbor's was and lucky for him it was a small clot in his chest and not his BRAIN !!! He is on meds after being monitored and is doing fine. Don't make me drive up to NH and hurt you, do the right thing for Duke and your lady.

Rhody... :redface:
 
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Why are you doing this to us, turbo?? You make us worried and concerned, but you refuse to do anything about it. What are you trying to accomplish?
 
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I understand Turbo's point. (MM, Turbo is hyper allergic) It's tough. You need a doc come to visit you, au natural completely. Maybe the old boys network can help?

All the best Turbo, Hang in there.
 
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I understand Turbo's point. (MM, Turbo is hyper allergic) It's tough. You need a doc come to visit you, au natural completely. Maybe the old boys network can help?

All the best Turbo, Hang in there.

You understand the point that you would rather be paralyzed and killed by a stroke than to smell perfume?? To my knowledge, there have been no reported deaths due to smelling fragrances. There have been deaths due to stroke though. I'm sorry, but I am not seeing the point.
 
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Regardless, what is the difficulty in getting a home visit from a doc? Money? Don't make me start a turbo fund on PF! :) But I assume at some point turbo will need a scan in which he will need to go to a hospital.
 
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Anyway, let's not hijack this thread by discussing whether perfumes can or cannot be deadly. The main point is that he needs to see a doctor, fast.
 
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Turbo get well soon. May you have many blessings and warm wishes for your health
- root :smile:

P.S. Micro and others, are these bickerings necessary? I don't believe turbo opened this thread to seek for your medical advices and such. But, I also hope he gets the required attention.
 
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P.S. Micro and others, are these bickerings necessary? I don't believe turbo opened this thread to seek for your medical advices and such. But, I also hope he gets the required attention.

You're right. I'm sorry. I just want him to see a doctor.
 
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Can't he wear a breathing mask so he doesn't smell any fragrances?
 
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You're right. I'm sorry. I just want him to see a doctor.
I can understand your feelings and I'm sure turbo does also.
 
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Hi Turbo, you've got to go to the doc.

I hope everything's ok, and that you're feeling better. Get well soon Turbo.
 
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Good news for turbo, just smelling perfume cannot kill you.

http://www.aaaai.org/ask-the-expert/Reactions-to-perfumes.aspx [Broken]
 
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Turbo has presented his case before the people. While precidence would dictate that a grant for invocation of the constitutional right of the individual to consider his/her choices and act upon them accordingly would be applicable in this instance, the tribunal has withdrawn said application, for two reasons:
i. the attempt to deflect concern for and of himself to that of fragrance enhanced individuals,
ii. the plaintiff is being as stubborn as a mule.

The PF Tribunal has unanmiously rendered its verdict.
DOCTOR.

( PS. Duke is worried too )
 
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( PS. Duke is worried too )

That just may do the trick. Turbo?
 
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There is an organization dedicated to raising awareness of this issue. They're headquartered in Maine!

http://www.chemicalsensitivityfoundation.org/index.html

There are doctors on their board, even.

Turbo, you need to contact this organization and tell them what you need. Don't delay, this resource is available to you - use it.
 
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There is an organization dedicated to raising awareness of this issue. They're headquartered in Maine!

http://www.chemicalsensitivityfoundation.org/index.html

There are doctors on their board, even.

Turbo, you need to contact this organization and tell them what you need. Don't delay, this resource is available to you - use it.
Unfortunately that is not a valid medical site.

I am afraid that MCS is not recognized as an illness by the medical community. We do not want to promote non-mainstream sites here.

MCS is a controversial diagnosis and is not recognized as an organic, chemical-caused illness by the American Medical Association or other authorities.[1] Blinded clinical trials have shown MCS patients react as often and as strongly to placebos, including clean air,[2][3] as they do to the chemicals they say harm them. This has led some experts to believe MCS symptoms are due to odor hypersensitivity[4] or are mainly psychological.

The International Statistical Classification of Diseases and Related Health Problems (ICD), maintained by the World Health Organization, does not recognize multiple chemical sensitivity or environmental sensitivity as a valid diagnosis.[13]

The American Medical Association (AMA) has stated that because of the lack of scientific evidence, based on well-controlled clinical trials, that supports a cause-and-effect relationship between exposure to very low levels of chemicals and the myriad symptoms reported by clinical ecologists, MCS is not recognized as an established organic disease. The American Academy of Allergy, Asthma, and Immunology, the California Medical Association, the American College of Physicians, and the International Society of Regulatory Toxicology and Pharmacology also do not recognise it.
[1][14][15] In 1994, the AMA, American Lung Association, US EPA and US Consumer Product Safety Commission published a booklet on indoor air pollution that discusses MCS, among other issues. Although sometimes misrepresented as evidence these groups recognize MCS as a specific disease, the booklet states a pathogenesis of MCS has not been definitively proven. The booklet further states symptoms that have been self-diagnosed by a patient as related to MCS could actually be related to allergies or have a psychological basis.

Ronald E. Gots, M.D., an environmental toxicologist and frequent defense consultant in toxic tort litigation,[17] describes MCS as "a label given to people who do not feel well for a variety of reasons and who share the common belief that chemical sensitivities are to blame. ... It has no consistent characteristics, no uniform cause, no objective or measurable features. It exists because a patient believes it does and a doctor validates that belief."[18] In editorial in the Journal of Toxicology - Clinical Toxicology Gots wrote, "The phenomenon of multiple chemical sensitivities is a peculiar manifestation of our technophobic and chemophobic society. ... It may be the only ailment in existence in which the patient defines both the cause and the manifestations of his own condition."[1]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiple_chemical_sensitivity
 
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Historically it takes a long time for illnesses to become recognized, so be careful with conclusions as they are presented in the Wikipedia article.

I live with someone with chemical sensitivity and allergies, so yes I've seen the debilitating effect it can have. I think the following page gives a more balanced account: http://ohioline.osu.edu/cd-fact/pdf/0192.pdf [Broken]

Do weight up the effects of your sensitivities to the effects of another stroke! The people are right that medical attention is needed Turbo. I hope you'll recover soon.
 
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Thanks all. Monique, if you have the awareness and pro-active attitude that my wife does, you are far more valuable than a doctor. I spent hours and hours consulting with the best chemical-injury specialist in the northeast US (driving from central ME to Dartmouth and back took all day) and he gave up. He said "don't get near fragrance chemicals" essentially. Unfortunately, they are ubiquitous.
 
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Regardless of that problem, it's still essential to have a good medical diagnosis somehow. Whatever it may be, it may be well treatable, so we must find workaround that issue.
 
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So how are you feeling today turbo?
 
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I have returned to taking daily doses of "baby" aspirin, and hopefully that will help.

After my first stroke (many years ago) aides and attendants, etc kept coming into my room wearing fragrances. I asked the doctor to release me, and he said that he would if I could self-inject Heparin. I said that I could, though I had never stuck a needle in myself before. Did a sub-cu injection of Heparin, and he signed me out. Got a big box of pre-loaded syringes and a plastic disposal bucket. Probably for less than the price of another day in the the medical "hotel". At the end of that series of injections, there was hardly a place on my abdomen that was not black or blue, but at least I was at home and I could breathe and could sleep at night.
 
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So how are you feeling today turbo?
Much like yesterday. I have a bit less ability to sense joint position in my legs (which affects balance) but my right foot doesn't burn as much. The neurologist that treated me after the first stroke tried a lot of drugs, but none seemed to help. She prescribed Marinol, which helped a bit. When I asked her what could make the pain in my right foot go away, she said "It will never go away." The damage is in my brain-stem, and she said that even if my leg was cut off, I would still feel "pain" there for the rest of my life. That's OK. I have lived with it for about 20 years, and this latest stroke has reduced that pain a bit.
 

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