Can x be solved in this logarithmic equation?

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In summary, the conversation discusses a problem with finding x for the function f(x) = \frac{x}{a} where f is of the form cx^r and a > 1. The conversation presents a solution using logs, but also suggests a simpler solution without using logs. The final summary suggests using the simpler solution as it is more efficient and less confusing.
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Say you have:
[itex]\frac{\log(x)}{r\log{x}} = y[/itex]

r and y can be any given number.

Is there any way to solve this for x?

ie

[itex]\frac{\log(x)}{1.6\log{x}} = 20[/itex]

I'm getting this because I'm trying to calculate [itex]f(x) = \frac{x}{a}[/itex] where f(x) is of the form [itex]f(x) = cx^r[/itex]
[itex]a > 1[/itex]
 
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Dr-NiKoN said:
Say you have:
[itex]\frac{\log(x)}{r\log{x}} = y[/itex]

r and y can be any given number.

Is there any way to solve this for x?

ie

[itex]\frac{\log(x)}{1.6\log{x}} = 20[/itex]

I'm getting this because I'm trying to calculate [itex]f(x) = \frac{x}{a}[/itex] where f(x) is of the form [itex]f(x) = cx^r[/itex]
[itex]a > 1[/itex]

I don't get this, sorry. correct me if i am wrong here but i have :

[tex]\frac {\log(x)}{r\log(x)} = y[/tex] but doesn't the left hand side yield
[tex]\frac {1}{r}[/tex] ?

i am missing the point here...you sure about this equation ?

marlon
 
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Well, I'm trying to find x for [itex]f(x) = \frac{x}{a}[/itex]

where f is of the form [itex]cx^r[/itex]

I tried setting [itex]x = cx^r[/itex] and taking the log to find x.

I was wondering if it was possible to find x that way, or maybe if there is another way?
 
  • #4
[itex]cx^r = \frac {x}{a}[/itex]
[itex]cx^r - \frac {x}{a} = 0 [/itex]
[itex]x * (cx^{r-1} - \frac {1}{a}) = 0 [/itex]
[itex]cx^{r-1} = \frac {1}{a}[/itex] if x is not 0
[itex]x^{r-1} = \frac {1}{ca}[/itex] if x is not 0
[itex]x = \sqrt [r - 1] {\frac {1}{ca}}[/itex] if x is not 0


marlon
 
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what do you say about that ?

marlon
 
  • #6
Hm, there must be a more elegant way?
 
  • #7
trust me , this is the most easy way out. working with log will make you go around in circles

marlon
 
  • #8
Hehe, ok, works for me.

I'm finding myself confused looking for the more complex ways to solve stuff, when regular math will do the job. Oh well :)

thanks a lot.
 
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If you did your logs properly it would also drop out:

cx^r=x/a

then, assuming x and every thing else for that matter, is positive,

logc + rlogx = logx - loga

(r-1)logx= -loga - log c

log x = -log(ac) * 1/(r-1)

or x = (ac)^{1/(1-r)

exactly as marlon showed without needing to use logs.
 

What is a logarithm?

A logarithm is a mathematical function that calculates the power to which a base number must be raised to equal a given number. It is the inverse function of exponentiation.

Why do we use logarithms?

Logarithms are useful for simplifying complex mathematical calculations, particularly in situations involving large numbers or exponential growth. They also have applications in science, engineering, and finance.

How do we solve logarithmic equations?

To solve a logarithmic equation, we use the properties of logarithms to rewrite the equation in a simpler form. Then, we can solve for the variable by taking the inverse logarithm of both sides.

What is the difference between a natural logarithm and a common logarithm?

A natural logarithm has a base of e, a mathematical constant approximately equal to 2.71828. A common logarithm has a base of 10. In other words, the natural logarithm calculates the power to which e must be raised, while the common logarithm calculates the power to which 10 must be raised.

What are some real-world applications of logarithms?

Logarithms have numerous practical applications, including measuring the intensity of earthquakes, determining the pH level of a substance, and calculating the decibel level of sound. They are also used in population growth models and in analyzing financial data.

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