Anti-symmetric Christoffel symbol

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The discussion revolves around the properties and examples of anti-symmetric Christoffel symbols, particularly in relation to the torsion tensor. Participants explore scenarios where the Christoffel symbol may be anti-symmetric and the implications for the torsion tensor, including specific examples and mathematical notations.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants inquire about the conditions under which the Christoffel symbol can be anti-symmetric and how this relates to the non-vanishing of the torsion tensor.
  • One participant suggests that in the case of a two-dimensional sphere with poles removed, an affine connection can be defined that preserves compass directions under parallel transport, leading to a connection that is not torsion-free.
  • Another participant expresses uncertainty about the anti-symmetry of the Christoffel symbol but notes that the torsion tensor will generally be non-zero if a connection is chosen that is not Levi-Civitá.
  • A later reply provides mathematical notations for defining vector fields that lead to a non-torsion-free affine connection, indicating that this connection is metric compatible with the standard metric.
  • One participant mentions that in supergravity theories, the torsion does not vanish due to contributions from the gravitino.
  • Another participant expresses confusion about the geometric interpretation of torsion, referencing Orodruin's example of parallel transport preserving compass directions for further clarification.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying degrees of understanding regarding the anti-symmetry of the Christoffel symbol and its implications for torsion. There is no consensus on the examples or the conditions under which these properties hold.

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Some discussions lack detailed mathematical formulations, and the examples provided may depend on specific definitions of affine connections and torsion. The relationship between the Christoffel symbol and torsion remains unresolved, with multiple viewpoints presented.

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hi, I have seen some examples related to christoffel symbol when it was symmetric, but I have not seen any anti symmetric christoffel symbol examples. For instance, in torsion tensor, if we have anti symmetric christoffel symbol, torsion tensor does not vanish. To sum up, in what kind of situations is christoffel symbol anti symmetric and in what kind of situations does torsion tensor remain?? Could you please give some examples??
 
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Consider the two-dimensional sphere with the poles removed. If you define your affine connection in such a way that compass directions are preserved under parallel transport you will have a connection which is not torsion free.
 
Orodruin said:
Consider the two-dimensional sphere with the poles removed. If you define your affine connection in such a way that compass directions are preserved under parallel transport you will have a connection which is not torsion free.
I could not entirely conceive of the example you mentioned, could you please give some mathematical notations??
 
mertcan said:
hi, I have seen some examples related to christoffel symbol when it was symmetric, but I have not seen any anti symmetric christoffel symbol examples. For instance, in torsion tensor, if we have anti symmetric christoffel symbol, torsion tensor does not vanish. To sum up, in what kind of situations is christoffel symbol anti symmetric and in what kind of situations does torsion tensor remain?? Could you please give some examples??

I am not sure about the anti-symmetry bit, but so far as torsion is concerned, the torsion tensor will in general be non-zero if you choose a connection on your manifold which is not Levi-Civitá.
 
mertcan said:
I could not entirely conceive of the example you mentioned, could you please give some mathematical notations??
Define the vector fields ##\partial_\theta## and ##(1/\sin\theta)\partial_\varphi## as parallel (this is sufficient to deduce the connection coefficients). The corresponding affine connection is not torsion free and corresponds to the situation described in my previous post.

It should be noted that the affine connection defind this way is metric compatible with the standard metric.
 
And a bit more advanced example: in supergravity theories the torsion does not vanish in general because of the gravitino contribution.
 

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