What is the water level above the orifice as time goes to infinity?

In summary, the conversation discusses a tank with a square cross-section and a water orifice, with water flowing in and out at certain rates. The goal is to show that the water level will eventually approach the value (25/24)^2 ft above the orifice, which is achieved by examining the differential equation at y = (25/24)^2 and finding that it is zero, indicating a maximum point. Alternatively, the discharge rate at y = 25/24 can be shown to equal the influx of water, and a differential equation can be set up to show that y = 25/24 is the solution.
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Homework Statement


A tank with vertical sides has a square cross-section of area 4 ft2. Water is leaving the tank through an orifice of area 5/3 in2. Water also flows into the tank at the rate of 100 in3/s. Show that the water level approaches the value (25/24)2 ft above the orifice.

Homework Equations


Rate of discharge of volume through the orifice is [itex]4.8A_0 \sqrt{y}[/itex] cubic feet per second, where [itex]A_0[/itex] = size of orifice in square feet

The Attempt at a Solution



[tex]\dfrac{dV}{dt}=100/12^3-4.8A_0 \sqrt{y}[/tex]

Also, [itex]V(y)=\int_0^y 4 du[/itex] so
[tex]\dfrac{dV}{dy}=4[/tex]

By the chain rule, [itex]\dfrac{dV}{dt}=\dfrac{dV}{dy} \dfrac{dy}{dt}[/itex] so
[tex]100/12^3-4.8A_0 \sqrt{y} = 4 \dfrac{dy}{dt}[/tex]

The problem right before this was the same except water was not being added at all, and that was an easily solvable differential equation. I am stuck on this, and when I got the answer from WolframAlpha it did not look encouraging that I was on the right track.
 
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I think, perhaps, the solution is not to actually solve the differential equation, but rather to do something like this:

Instead of trying to solve my differential equation, I just examine it at y=(25/24)^2, and see that it is zero. Examining the second derivative, we find that it is always negative so this is a maximum of y. For y less than this, the derivative is positive and above this value the derivative is negative. Hence no matter what value of y the problem starts with, as t increases it will approach (25/24)^2.

Does that seem valid?
 
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You can demonstrate the discharge rate at y = 25/24 equals the mass influx so the level won't rise anymore.

Also you could write a DE for the rate of volume of water increase in the tank.

Atank * (dV/dt) = 100/12**3 - 4.8 * A0 * (y**2)** .5

Set dV/dt to zero and solve for y. You should get 25/24.
 

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