Main Question or Discussion Point
God or society says they are right?
Isn't "God" just another part of the "society" that accepts Him? Either way, society will decide what "right" is simply because society is the only thing that can put pressure on you to behave a certain way or not.Roxy said:God or society says they are right?
No, they are not.Roxy said:God or society says they are right?
What that shows us, is that the "right" thing is only defined according to the times. Right or wrong are not phenomena, they are an invention. There is no right or wrong thing, since it is not so much that the "right" thing changes - but only our definition of it.Jameson said:Example. A long time ago it was "right" to have slavery. Preachers would have condoned it. They would tell you God agrees with slavery. Now, most of us are against slavery. This is a good example of showing that the "right" thing changes from time and that it is not so absolute.
The ability to decide what is right or wrong doesn't make it necessary that the thing wielding that ability has the power to do so.Mentat said:However, if God has already decided what is "right" and what is "wrong", and if He's really "God" in the usual sense (and thus the most important part of any society), then He quite likely has the power to "pressure" you to behave one way or the other.
Note: "Pressure" doesn't mean "coerce" or "force" or anything like that. It means that you get good results from doing one thing ("good", here, means "favorable to you") and bad results from doing the opposite.
This is somewhat reminiscent of Euthyphro, but expound a bit on the concept of being "seduced by the power of a true good".GeD said:The ability to decide what is right or wrong doesn't make it necessary that the thing wielding that ability has the power to do so.
But you have almost hit the mark - POWER will define what people will follow and think is good or bad. Thus, anyone who has truthfully found a "good" realizes that he has been seduced by its power, not because of it's "inherent" goodness.
Neither. Similarly to how neither "god" not society can decide the laws of physics (because they are fact, not opinion), I dont' believe that the ethics of a situation can be decreed.Roxy said:God or society says they are right?