# Are any of you into poker?

1. Apr 21, 2009

### chaoseverlasting

Ive recently started playing poker on facebook and its a really addictive game. Are any of you into poker?

2. Apr 21, 2009

Re: Poker

Yes, but only with real cards and real money. I used to be able to pick up a pretty reliable $40-50 a week playing poker with the paper machine crew after our last night-shift. Some of those guys were reckless and easy to read. 3. Apr 21, 2009 ### Focus Re: Poker I don't buy it. I think you were counting cards 4. Apr 21, 2009 ### TheStatutoryApe Re: Poker I play on FullTilt and occasionally at a friends house game. It can definitely be addictive so I would warn to be careful of playing for money. At the house game I go to one of the "donks" always buys in for$100+ even though the rest of us only buy in for $20 and he usually loses most if not all of it. I've seen him once at the end of the night desperately pulling more cash out of his pocket to make last minute wild bets in an attempt to get his money back. 5. Apr 21, 2009 ### Chi Meson Re: Poker Some of us teachers get together for Texas hold-em about once a month. We buy in for$10 or $20 (with one re-buy allowed at half the starting amount). This keeps it "real enough" to have some tension in the game without fear of losing one's shirt. I found that I can sometimes pull off a bluff, but often I blow it with either a hesitation, or the opposite: too much eagerness to raise. Evidently I'm sending clear smoke signals sometimes. It's fun, but I can tell I should stay out of the casinos. And I live 15 minutes from Foxwoods and Mohegan Sun. 6. Apr 21, 2009 ### turbo Re: Poker My father plays poker every Friday night (except summers) with his buddies. It's good for probably$50/week for him. At 83 he's sharp as a tack. Generally, they play for quarters (minimum) for a couple of hours, then they buy chips and play Hold 'em. He doesn't count his money - he tares coffee-cans, loads the quarters into those and figures his winnings by weight using an old balance beam freight-office scale. He pays his property taxes every year out of his poker winnings. He taught me to play poker when I was a kid (using my head, not my emotions) and he never cut me a bit of slack. He got injured in WWII, and ended up in a motor pool in Liege instead of Airborne after getting out of the hospital. That's where he honed his poker skills.

7. Apr 21, 2009

### TheStatutoryApe

Re: Poker

I still have trouble even though I have tried training myself not to play emotionally. I've gotten pretty good at not trying to guess if someone is bluffing and just playing on the strength of my hand though.

I know that good poker playing comes from experience rather than books but are there any that you or your dad ever read that were good? Doyle Brunson seems like a good source or maybe I'm just stereotyping. I also have alot of respect for Phil Ivey and Daniel Negreanu though I have no idea if Ivey has written a book.

8. Apr 21, 2009

Re: Poker

When you are playing at a full table in games where cards are displayed progressively, try to keep track of some critical cards that have been played - both suits and values. When you have a pretty good hand, its tempting to chase it even in the face of the possibility that others might be holding much better hands. You can't do this playing stud - you can only watch the betting patterns, the draw (and reactions of the players), but it is a real handy skill when playing games in with there are shared common cards, or in which player are required to reveal cards from their hands in stages. When you have 7 or more players at the table, you'll need to resort to games that feature shared common cards if you want to play 7-card games. If you're playing "dealer's choice" this is a good opportunity to call such a game. Many novice players cannot easily shift gears between stud, draw, and more complex 7-card games, and that's where they make $mistakes. 9. Apr 21, 2009 ### TheStatutoryApe Re: Poker Lately I've only been playing Hold Em. I always get a bit nervous when I see a possible straight or flush on the board. I've even fronted a flush myself on occasion. Generally I'm content to lay down what might be the best hand to stay in the game and play a better hand later. Online its easier to avoid giving tells. I just try to play my hands with the same betting patterns whether its a bluff, soft bluff, or the real deal. The really good hands I always slow play unless I'm betting against someone who seems to have a decent hand and might chase it. In the home games I change up my betting to try to keep people from guessing. Since I know the players to some degree I can bet in a way that plays to them as an individual. There's alot more psychology involved in real world play that I have yet to get the hang of though. 10. Apr 21, 2009 ### Proton Soup Re: Poker i can't get excited about gambling. never have. fresh out of high school, some friends and i pooled our bets at the dog track and doubled our money. it made for free food and entertainment, with a bit left over. and i didn't get the bug. i don't think i could ever get into it unless i knew how to say count cards and could reliably bring in income. then it'd be like a job. 11. Apr 21, 2009 ### TheStatutoryApe Re: Poker Counting cards can apparently be dangerous. Have you seen the movie 21? Its pretty good. 12. Apr 21, 2009 ### Jack21222 Re: Poker I've been into poker for a long time. I keep track of my winnings, and I am profitable at$25 online no limit at pokerstars, which have blinds of 0.10/0.25. After this graph, I moved up to $50 no limit, and went on a bit of a downswing. After that downswing, I withdrew my bankroll to pay for a semester of college. Here's my graph up until I switched to$50NL

Note: This graph does not take into account money from bonuses from the site, which amounted to about 300 dollars.

I recently deposited another 50 bucks, and have been playing penny stakes to build my bankroll. I've got it up to about 120 right now. I can't wait until I build it up enough to move back into the stakes where real money can be made.

13. Apr 21, 2009

### TheStatutoryApe

Re: Poker

I'm actually about to play a tourney. Full Tilt's The Daily Dollar. Up to 12,000 players, one dollar buy in, and the top prize is 1,500 dollars. Yesterday I only got to about place 750(of 7,100) for \$2.50. Hopefully I'll do better today.

14. Apr 21, 2009

### TheStatutoryApe

Re: Poker

That's pretty impressive. Have any tips?

15. Apr 21, 2009

### Moonbear

Staff Emeritus
Re: Poker

I'm not into gambling either. I'm just as happy to play for pretzels as cash. I wouldn't play card games in casinos or with strangers, because to me, they are more something to do while socializing with friends, not something I do just to do.

16. Apr 21, 2009

### Jack21222

Re: Poker

Keep your emotions out of it, learn to calculate odds quickly and accurately. But the biggest factor in my winnings was a program called PokerTracker. It keeps track of every hand I play (and therefore, every hand my opponents play), so I can get a feel for what they likely hold.

For example, if over 500 hands, my opponent has NEVER raised a single hand preflop, and all of the sudden they raise preflop, I'm folding QQ. I probably even fold KK preflop. Their range is AA, and maybe if I'm lucky KK.

On the other hand, if over 100 hands, my opponent raises 35% of the time preflop, he's probably something of a maniac, and I'm happy to reraise him with as little as AJ or 99.

PokerTracker is a must have.

It's that program which allows me to play 9 tables at once. (Some players will 24-table, but that's a but much for me.)

Here's what my screen looks like when 9-tabling.

Those boxes over the players names are my PokerTracker interface.

17. Apr 21, 2009

### TheStatutoryApe

Re: Poker

I have a bit of a competitive streak. Playing for something other than money people tend to do silly things and go all for broke since its just "pretzels" or what have you. It cuts out alot of the strategy involved.

18. Apr 21, 2009

### Moonbear

Staff Emeritus
Re: Poker

Exactly! That's why it's more fun.

19. Apr 21, 2009

### Proton Soup

Re: Poker

i'm familiar with some of the background story. if it's really that dangerous, then to me it's just another good reason to ban gambling. nothing but a bunch of thugs if you ask me. they have the odds in their favor for all the games, which is just another name for "rigged". anybody that can beat them at their own game is a hero in my book.

20. Apr 21, 2009

### TheStatutoryApe

Re: Poker

I think that the movie makes it a bit more extreme than real life but I have heard of card counters that were threatened at the very least.
As far as banning gambling I don't see why any one should get in the way of a transaction (or game) between two persons unless one is obviously being defrauded. The fact that games like black jack favour the house does not seem fraudulent to me.