Are Electronic Braking Systems the Future of Automotive Safety?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion focuses on electronic braking systems in automotive vehicles, exploring their current applications, potential benefits, and challenges. Participants share insights related to product design, safety implications, and existing technologies in the field.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants inquire about current electronic braking systems in general automotive vehicles, specifically how they operate without mechanical contact between the brake pedal and braking forces.
  • One participant suggests that researching electric trailer brakes may provide relevant information, although it does not directly address the original question.
  • Concerns are raised about the safety and practicality of fully electronic braking systems compared to traditional hydraulic systems, with one participant expressing doubt about their ability to pass safety checks.
  • Another participant mentions that the ABS system can apply brakes independently at each wheel without driver input, hinting at the potential for future developments in electronic calipers.
  • Reference is made to the Mercedes E-Class, which utilized an electronic brake system known as SBC, but it was later removed due to problems.
  • Participants note that many modern vehicles incorporate radar cruise control and crash avoidance systems that can apply brakes autonomously, indicating a trend towards more electronic control in braking systems.
  • The discussion includes mention of hybrid vehicles, such as the Escape Hybrid, which utilize brake-by-wire systems.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a mix of curiosity and skepticism regarding the implementation and safety of electronic braking systems. There is no consensus on their effectiveness or future adoption in standard vehicles, with multiple viewpoints presented.

Contextual Notes

Some claims about existing systems and their reliability are based on anecdotal evidence and personal experiences, which may not encompass all current technologies or developments in the field.

22ashc
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Hi there,

I'm currently researching for a Product Design project and was wondering if anyone had any insights into electronic braking systems.

Are there any current systems being used on general automotive vehicles at moment?

E.g

The brake pedal represents the pressure of braking and sends information to the ECU for example that the braking forces are electronically applied. So that there is no mechanical contact between the user's foot and the final out come.

Thanks
 
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22ashc said:
Hi there,

I'm currently researching for a Product Design project and was wondering if anyone had any insights into electronic braking systems.

Are there any current systems being used on general automotive vehicles at moment?

E.g

The brake pedal represents the pressure of braking and sends information to the ECU for example that the braking forces are electronically applied. So that there is no mechanical contact between the user's foot and the final out come.

Thanks

Welcome to the PF.

What has your research showed you so far? How does the regenerative braking of hybrid & electric vehicles work?
 
Although not specifically what you're asking, researching electric trailer brakes may give you some information.
 
22ashc said:
The brake pedal represents the pressure of braking and sends information to the ECU for example that the braking forces are electronically applied. So that there is no mechanical contact between the user's foot and the final out come.

I doubt that would ever pass safety checks, and don't see how it offers any benefit over a hydraulic system.
 
In a way the ABS system has the ability to function in such a way. Utilizing stored pressure or/and an electric pump the system can apply brakes at any of the 4 wheels without the driver touching the pedal - slow a spinning wheel (TC) or pivot the car to keep it from spinning (ESC). Full electric calipers have been designed but to my knowledge have yet to be installed on a production vehicle, other than for parking brakes. I believe first you will see the system installed on the rear brakes only. Try a search for BWI.
 
Electronic brake control has been used for a number of years in the E class Mercedes its called SBC sensortronic brake control.
 
as russell said, MB E class had electronic brake system. It was problematic, and they later removed it.

I don't know about current cars, but lots of them has radar cruise control, and crash avoidance systems. all of them can brake without driver pushing the brake, so try looking into that.
and if i think about it, even cars with traditional "stupid" cruise control can apply brakes, with you just electronically setting the cruise control to lower speeds.
stability systems can brake individual wheels.

also, in top gear they had M3 with some smart electronic which could drive around their circuit without any input from driver. they claimed that the car was mechanically standard. just utilizing electronic steering assist, electronic throttle, (probably) electronic brakes and GPS.
 
Escape Hybrids also use a brake by wire system.
 

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