Are racists sexual perverts?

[Loren Booda]

Just as the homophobe is stimulated by gay bashing and the otherwise impotent rapist attacks his victim's feminism, racists react overtly from a revulsion. Inculcated by systematic incest and family violence, they scapegoat cultural differences as perceived ethnic threats. The grooming of a bigot in childhood is analogous to a child molester preying on the young. Such a cycle passes through generations of anger and shame projected outward.

No racist has a satisfying sex life; his fantasies are so preoccupied with hate and genetic "purity" as to further sublimate his self-detestation and pervert his own sexuality. The trolling of an Internet racist is as much a pornographic come-on to closet degenerates as a need for ideologistic affirmation. Sex becomes a zenophobic prison of inbreeding partners.

The bigot encroaches like a parasite choking off its host plant. The bigot, however is not the plant mistaken as a weed, he is the smut which poisens the crop of humanity. If unchecked, his form of terrorism here on the Web will destroy this interchange and him with it.

 

[Zero]

Ummmm...ok? Sure, we know racists are screwed up, and their racism is usually a symptom of larger mental issues. So, I guess that sexual hangups could also easliy be a part of it....*shrugs* Racists can't do nothin right!

 

[Jeff Savage]

Time not well spent

to look down at the corpse that was once I
and hear said
who went there did waste his time
time not well spent
and did die a loners death
without knowing love and being loved
and filled with emptiness of cups unfilled
and watch the feast of preceived lesser men
who
knew what life did mean and did spend
their days in knowing friends and love
and time without end...

Jeff Savage

 

[Monique]

Another case of generalizations gone wrong.. how about wrongfull stereotyping?

There are homophobes and homophòbes, as well as there are racists and ràcists.

 

[Zero]

Originally posted by Monique
Another case of generalizations gone wrong.. how about wrongfull stereotyping?

There are homophobes and homophòbes, as well as there are racists and ràcists.

And what's the difference, besides the accent?

 

[Monique]

You figure that one out :)

hint: Not all homophobes or racists are extremists (the ones with the accent are).

 

[Monique]

Originally posted by Monique
[..](the ones with the accent are).

That doesn't make me one of the either though! ..little joke :P

 

[Njorl]

I am a bit skeptical of generalisations, however...

If I recall correctly, of the thousands of racially motivated lynchings in the US, not a single one occurred without either a sexual assault on the victim, or mutilation of the victims genitals.

Njorl

 

[Monique]

and you are talking about the extremists there.

 

[Njorl]

Originally posted by Monique
and you are talking about the extremists there.

No argument here.

Njorl

 

[Monique]

Originally posted by Njorl
No argument here.

Njorl

Good, since the conclusion that should be made is: racist people who lynch also make sexual assaults, not racists make sexual assaults.

 

[Loren Booda]

Njorl

If I recall correctly, of the thousands of racially motivated lynchings in the US, not a single one occurred without either a sexual assault on the victim, or mutilation of the victims genitals

Weren't many lynchings in the US South motivated by jealousy over the (accented?) "rape" (consenting relationship) of a white woman with a black man?

Monique

Another case of generalizations gone wrong.. how about wrongfull stereotyping?

There are homophobes and homophòbes, as well as there are racists and ràcists.

You are fortunate not to have grown up with those in the US who still promote the "peculiar institution" of slavery. Doesn't history tell us that the Nazis fornicated in Aryan graveyards to receive the spirit of their ancesters, and aren't Hitler's sexual deviations legend?

My point is more that the origin of racism is distorted sexuality and violence in the family, and that racism is a particular expression of frustration arising from that. Subtle racism tolerated eventually evolves into actual racism.

 

[Monique]

Originally posted by Loren Booda
Monique You are fortunate not to have grown up with those in the US who still promote the "peculiar institution" of slavery. Doesn't history tell us that the Nazis fornicated in Aryan graveyards to receive the spirit of their ancesters, and aren't Hitler's sexual deviations legend?

My point is more that the origin of racism is distorted sexuality and violence in the family, and that racism is a particular expression of frustration arising from that. Subtle racism tolerated eventually evolves into actual racism.

Who says the US holds such a special position? Didn't history teach you that the Dutch sailed all around the world, also bringing people home for slavery?

Nazis having sexual intercourse outside marriage in graveyards, Hitlers sexual deviations? No, never heard of those. I DO know that hitler is believed to have had a sexually transmitted disease (wasn't it syphilus?) which caused his madness (as some of the other big rulers have had).

Origin of racism is NOT distored sexuality and violence in the family. Tell me how that is linked to not liking other races?

I can tell you that racism is cultivated by perceived inequalities. From personal experience I have seen racism expressed in the form: "blacks are taking our jobs and should go home to their own country" or "blacks are criminals and should go find a job".

In the first example personal well being is endangered by the perceived invasion of other racial groups (by immigration) and in the second example by perceived criminal behaviour of other racial groups.

Doesn't have anything to do with sexual natures of any kind.

 

[Monique]

btw, blacks in the example aren't african americans for whoever would go against the use of the word black.

 

[Zero]

I think Booda's talking about the racist white males being afraid of the black male's mythological 'sexual prowess'...

 

[Zero]

Originally posted by Monique
[?]

It may be a particularly American idea, probably starting back in the days of slavery, when big muscular black men labored in the field, while the weak pasty white landowners sat around getting fat and lazy...that somehow there is a primal sexual something or other about black men(and their gigantic genitalia) that makes some white males feel sexually inferior.


Or something like that...

 

[Monique]

But black men don't walk around showing off their bananas, do they? Seriously, I am very surprised by that reasoning. It definately isn't an argument for racism here in Europe.

 

[Zero]

Originally posted by Monique
But black men don't walk around showing off their bananas, do they? Seriously, I am very surprised by that reasoning. It definately isn't an argument for racism here in Europe.

LOL< I don't really understand it myself...but you can see it in the (possibly stereotypical) behavior of many American racists...the need to protect the 'innocent white women' from being corrupted by the 'potent jungle sexuality' of black men.

 

[Monique]

I think I am going to stay away from black men myself jk ofcourse.. 'potent jungle sexuality of black men'

 

[Zero]

Originally posted by Monique
I think I am going to stay away from black men myself jk ofcourse.. 'potent jungle sexuality of black men'

LMAO!!

I never said it was a sane or healthy viewpoint...just that it seems to exist.

I think another aspect of racism and sexuality is that some men only feel masculine when they can feel superior to others. They may beat their wives, or be rude to subordinates at work, or harbor racist attitudes in order to feel manly.

 

[Loren Booda]

Monique et al,

Thanks for the affirmation that Dutch slave ships inflicted much cruelty. I once responded with that fact to a Netherlander who claimed (just after 9/11) Americans are terrorists. He then declared "what has slavery got to do with terrorism?"

Racist thinking, often a primitive form of eugenics, starts with inherited behaviors reinforcing prejudices against different appearences and customs. The preservation of race is much the preservation of genotype, but genotypes in the short term expresses themselves as racial markers, i. e., learned behaviors which are not so much genetic as socio-psychological. The feeling of inferiority, which Zero pointed to, sometimes functions to divert inadequacy, including sexual, toward "blind" anger separating "all good" from "all bad" ideation. "Blacks are " begets emotional impotence begets sexual impotence.

The inculcation of bigotry by familial violence and incest destroys the child either by total rejection of his relations or the perpetuation of the zenophobic personality. Whether one calls the racist a "sexual pervert" or a complete "emotional deviate," the feelings he experiences are deep enough to affect a most human behavior, sexuality. Distorted sexuality does not necessarily lead to racism, but the majority of racists, I believe, have distinct traits of sadism learned in childhood and hardened as they grow. Hate is the ultimate sexual turn-off.

 

[Monique]

Originally posted by Loren Booda
Monique et al,

Thanks for the affirmation that Dutch slave ships inflicted much cruelty. I once responded with that fact to a Netherlander who claimed (just after 9/11) Americans are terrorists. He then declared "what has slavery got to do with terrorism?"

Yes, the Dutch were colonists, among other things we discovered Australia and New Zealand on the other side of the world and we settled what now is New York city. Trade of spices was our objective, not trade in slaves, although we DID briefly dominate the international slave trade. All this happened back in the 1600s (the Golden century), so it is well in the past, although the Dutch parliament didn't abolish slavery until July 1st, 1863. That is actually the same date as when slave trade was abolished in the US.

Do you realize that you are still talking about a very small subgroup of racists? I have never seen racism expressed in the United States, the only ones who express it are people like the KKK, brainwashed. In Europe racism is expressed alot, maybe it is a form of nationalism, but these people are sane although they have biased views of reality.

 

[plus]

Originally posted by Monique
Yes, the Dutch were colonists, among other things we discovered Australia and New Zealand on the other side of the world and we settled what now is New York city.

What I found humerous was that the Dutch traded New York for Surinam and a handful of rifles with England. I thought that Captain Cook discovered Australia for England?

 

[Monique]

Originally posted by plus
I thought that Captain Cook discovered Australia for England?

This is the information I've got:

Western Australia : The coast of Western Australia was probably visited by several Spanish and Portuguese navigators in the 16th Century. The Dutch sailor Dirk Harthog became known as the first European to land on Australia in 1616. He landed and nailed a pewter plate to a pole on Shark Island. Later in the 16th Century Abel Tasman surveyed the northern coastline of Western Australia.

Tasmania : Firstly discovery and named Van Diemen’s Land by the Dutch explorer Abel Tasman in 1642, it was later claimed by the British in 1788. In 1803 a penal colony established the first European presence on the island. In 1825 Van Diemen’s Land was made a separate British Colony.

*edit* and some information on Cook : So Cook could not be called the "discoverer" of Australia, for much of the coast had been mapped before he landed. However, he found the part which turned out to be the best for settlers.

But the Chinese probably already knew of the existance of Australia back in the 9th century..