Are scientists being assassinated?

  1. Ivan Seeking

    Ivan Seeking 12,519
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    This story has been running in the fringe for some time. One major newspaper has now addressed the claim. Personally, I don't have an opinion yet other than the automatic response: It is probably just a coincidence and/or another internet conspiracy theory.

    http://www.columbiatribune.com/2005/Jan/20050123News004.asp

    Quayle
    http://freepress2005.blogspot.com/2005/01/author-theorizes-40-microbiologists.html
     
  2. jcsd
  3. you better watch out!
     
  4. matthyaouw

    matthyaouw 1,216
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    I'm suddenly glad I went for for earth sciences over biology...
     
  5. selfAdjoint

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    I notice that the articles doesn't mention any other scientists except Im, except the five Israeli ones whose plane was shot down. That case can certainly be explained on other bases?
     
  6. selfAdjoint

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    I notice that the articles doesn't mention any other scientists thant Im, except the five Israeli ones whose plane was shot down. That case can certainly be explained on other bases?
     
  7. cronxeh

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    Pretty strange that it happened right after Sept 11th..

    These researches knew how to make bio/chem weapons and instead of assigning a body guard to each one, 'they', probably decided to take them out :surprised
     
  8. Moonbear

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    If you eliminate the suicide, stroke, and plane crash victims, then rule out the one where they think the guy's daughter killed him, look at the locations of all the rest. The murdered ones are hardly happening in the middle of suburbia, they're happening in places like parking garages in some pretty rough cities. Rather than focusing on their profession, one should focus on other local crimes fitting the same pattern. It's more likely each was just one of many victims if attacks in crime-ridden neighborhoods. I was just talking with a colleague today about the extra ventillation provided by the bullet holes in buildings at Johns Hopkins. I'm sure if one day someone gets killed by one of those bullets, the conspiracy theorist can make some connection between their research and that of these others killed.

    Of course, this isn't to say there couldn't be some fringe group out there bumping off microbiologists. It's certainly not a conspiracy theory that primate researchers are frequently under attack from radical animal rights groups, they come right out and admit that's what they are doing. But, the variety of ways these people were killed and the number of places around the world where they lived suggests it's a better example of why data mining is a bad way to find solid conclusions.
     
  9. Hurkyl

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    I disagree -- it's an example of data mining used badly. Like any other statistical tool, data mining is great when used properly.
     
  10. cronxeh

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    yes but the fact still remains - the top scientists were killed - one way or another..

    i mean seriously.. how many biology ph.d's are out there?

    according to bls.gov : Biological scientists held about 75,000 jobs in 2002. I dont know about this.. I mean I saw most of those guys on the science channel - David Kelly (assassinated in 2003), Vladimir Pasechnik (i saw him on discovery times channel).. besides their age.. 40.. 46.. 50.. 55.. 65.. 70.. do ppl die at those age?? hardly
     
  11. matthyaouw

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    Yes, top scientists did die, but that is not the issue. Everyone dies. What we need is evidence that they were specifically targetted due to their profession.

    The David Kelly who you mention... Are you referring to the UK government scientist? If so, i think you'll find he took his own life, and the authorities had no reason to suspect otherwise.
     
  12. cronxeh

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    there was an inquiry, and he didnt commit suicide - anybody with an IQ over 40 can figure that out

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/3082707.stm
    http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/kellyinquiry/

    http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/101403_kelly_1.html

    Besides if you really get down to it and think about it - what biologist would commit suicide? they went into the field BECAUSE they loved life and saw thea beauty in it. It makes sense for an MBA or a financial analyst to jump outa the window, for good.
     
    Last edited: Jan 27, 2005
  13. matthyaouw

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    Yes, there was an inquiry into his death, but it was not a murder inquiry. Do you understand the purpose of the enquiry?
    A summary can be found here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hutton_Inquiry
    And the full enquiry here: http://www.the-hutton-inquiry.org.uk/content/report/

    If the information in your third reference were to be entirely correct, why was there no press coverage, and why wasn't there a murder enquiry?

    As for your last arguement: Are you serious? You make no sense whatsoever. There are more factors involved than career. being a biologist does not mean unconditional happiness, nor does being a financial analyst mean unhappiness.
     
  14. Yes, it is nearing fifty, and they are Microbiologists, that work with pathogens, and bio-weapons. I know one in Utah, that no one mentioned yet.
     
  15. Moonbear

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    Not a very good argument there. Biologists are just as prone to suffer depression as the next person, and any career scientist faces a lot of competition, and ups and downs, and dry spells in funding that can be incredibly stressful and depressing. You don't go into biology because you love life and see the beauty in it, it's just like all the other scientists, where you see a problem that needs solving and you want to solve it.

    If I went hunting for it, I could probably find 50 people around the world in any profession who were killed by reasons other than natural causes in the past 4 years.
     
  16. around the world? I was under the impression they were all american
     
  17. cronxeh

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    ok fine Moonbear and matthy. I guess the world isnt as ideal as I saw it.. :cry:

    But if 40+ experts in germ warfare mysteriously die after 9/11, and there is a 'war on terror' going on - maybe, just maybe, its a cause for concern :confused:
     
  18. Here is a sort of list.

    http://www.stevequayle.com/dead_scientists/dead.scientists.chron.html

    A while ago I saw a Nova regarding an African Tribe near Madagascar, that claimed to be of Jewish descent. Their ancient tales were taken down and their migration was traced to the middle east, and it was established that they carried what is called The Coheneen (sp?) Gene, which is the only male chromosomal genetic inheritance line, the rest of us are traced from the Eve material in Africa. This is PBS, so I assume that is above board. After seeing this I had read from a reputable source that there were no Jewish women, in the beginning of this line of descent, the wives were all from other groups. (Is this the origin of the Adamic myth?)

    Supposedly there was some weapons research going on in reference to this gene, and everyone involved perished. I read this, on the web, probably some wild conspiracy in regards to the great dying of geneticists and microbiologists.

    http://www.barzan.com/kevin_brook.htm

    This link is to an article that discusses and then waters down the existence of the Cohen Haplotype.

    The geneticist Michael Hammer, has a lot of writings about this whole genetic investigation.
     
  19. russ_watters

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    You may have misread - this one guy died soon after 9/11. The other 40 mentioned died over a 4 year period. There's nothing at all strange about that.
    Yeah, it would be -- if it were true. That isn't what was claimed.

    And that list: all bio-weapons experts? No. All biologists? Still no. They threw in a few extras for good measure:
    Most are biologists, but it also includes physicists, chemists, and environmental scientists, etc.
     
    Last edited: Jan 28, 2005
  20. Locrian

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    Well crap.

    And here I thought I was going to live forever?
     
  21. Moonbear

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    Nope, there were Brits and Iraqis in the list (I didn't look back at it recently now to recall if there were other countries included).

    And as Russ pointed out, they threw in some chemists and plain ol' ordinary microbiologists (not bioweapons experts), etc. It gets even easier to find 50 people killed in a profession if you broaden the definition to any scientist working with cells, chemicals, environmental agents, genetic engineering, etc.
     
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