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Are we center of the universe?

  1. May 9, 2015 #1
    Hello everyone,

    As you can see, I am new on this forum. In my first thread, I decided to ask one very interesting question, maybe one of the most shocking questions which exist at this moment.
    We all know the data which have been provided of WMAP and Planck satellites, and what this data shows. According to the CMB we are the center, or near the center of the universe. It is really hard to say that we had some kind of mistake on satellites, because 3 independent experiments(COBE, WMAP and Planck) provided the same data, which telling us that we are the center of the universe. I am not a physicist or cosmologist but lately I have start to be very interesting in this area of science.

    I want to remind you that CMB is not the only evidence which points that we are in special place in the universe. I will mention other one, which is "Galactocentric Universe". When you the galaxies around us, it seems that out galaxy is center, or near the center of the universe," and other galaxies are in exactly the correct order." I have added picture, so you can look at it, and here is the link from where I have download a picture: http://www.sdss.org/science/

    What do you think about it? Do you think that this datas are correct, or that we missing something(and if you think that, do you maybe know what, because I cannot see any other conclusion/solution)? If are we truly the center of the universe, do you that this would prove, that the universe is created by God..?

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  3. May 9, 2015 #2


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    Hi, ScienceIsFun. Welcome to PF.

    Please be mindful of the rules of the forum - discussion involving religion is not allowed, neither are personal theories.

    Regarding your post, it is built on a false premise:
    This is not at all true. Wherever have you drawn such a conclusion from?
  4. May 9, 2015 #3


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    We are not at the center of the universe. The data is correct (to within the uncertainties of measurement) but you are misinterpreting it.
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    If you mean that the CMB is isotropic from our viewpoint, this is not strictly true - we do have a proper motion relative to it, which translates into an a preferred axis (dipole). But after correcting for this, it is in fact isotropic to a very good approximation.

    But, in the standard model of cosmology, the statement above is also true of every single observer moving freely anywhere in the universe. Our position has nothing special about it.

    As to speculation about the existence of one or more non-physical being, this is of course outside the realm of science.
  6. May 9, 2015 #5


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    We are at the center of the observable universe. I would suggest that you read carefully there for an explanation of why we cannot observe the entire universe.
  7. May 9, 2015 #6

    Well, thank you on warning, but from my perspective, I did not violate any rule. This certainly is not a my theory, and I think I did not invoke religion, i just asked the question if turns out that we are the center of the universe, would that mean that God created the universe.. If I violate any rule, my apologies

    Results from the WMAP satellite indicates that when looking at large scales of the universe, the noise could be partitioned into “hot” and “cold” sections, and this partitioning is aligned with our ecliptic plane and equinoxes. This partitioning and alignment resulted in an axis through the universe, known as "axis of evil". Planck satellite had confirm this data
    If all of radiation coming to us from "all directions of the sky at the same time", I mean, how is that possible if earth is not near to the center of universe..? And just to "prove" that this is not my theory, or my idea I will quote Lawrence Krauss: "But when you look at [CMB] map, you also see that the structure that is observed, is in fact, in a weird way, correlated with the plane of the earth around the sun. Is this Copernicus coming back to haunt us? That’s crazy. We’re looking out at the whole universe. There’s no way there should be a correlation of structure with our motion of the earth around the sun — the plane of the earth around the sun — the ecliptic. That would say we are truly the center of the universe.” (This he said 2005.)
  8. May 9, 2015 #7


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    It's easy to think of geometries which have this property but in which there is no center. Consider the sound intensity from each direction at any point in an infinite universe in which noisemakers are evenly distributed, or on the surface of a sphere upon which noisemakers are evenly distributed.

    Try googling for "Krauss center of universe", see what you find.
    (Among other things, you will find abundant justification of the Physics Forum policy of requiring that that references and quotations be properly sourced).

    This thread is closed.
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