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What about the Arp' s theories? I' ve seen the photos of the Stephan's quintet. What about them? Seems that the quasars are near other objects that look to be nearer to us than the quasars.
Ignition said:What about the Arp's theories? I've seen the photos of the Stephan's quintet. What about them? Seems that the quasars are near other objects that look to be nearer to us than the quasars.
Ignition said:Wich are these evidence against his ideas gathered in the last few years?
cristo said:Sorry, but this is not the way to have a valid discussion.
Firstly, you should look at the PF rules which state that non peer-reviewed work, or fringe theories, are not to be discussed here.
But, secondly, you should mention what the theories actually are that you are wishing to discuss. You should provide peer-reivewed, published articles to support them. Only then, can the discussion continue.
Troels said:Well, to my opinion, a sound debunking of Arp is in order. He is something of a celebrity among the big bang deniers mostly for his victimized role where he is systematically prevented from publishing anything, or so they claim.
To some point I actually agree with them:To an outsider it would sometimes seem that peer review is a tool to weed out anything that does not comply with the "religion of mainstream science" instead of just weeding out nonsense like it is supposed to. It doesn't get better when we meager nano-Engineering scientists, with incomplete knowledge of cosmology can't quite put our finger on the point where the argument fails :)
Perhaps this was something for the debunking forum?
matt.o said:There is only so much debunking the "mainstreamers" should have to do with regards to ideas from people like Arp. After this initial debunking, the onus is on the "meager nano-Engineering scientist" to go get thee to the library (or an online archive). It is not the job of mainstream science to hold the hand of the less well inormed, otherwise we'd never get any work done!
turbo-1 said:Remember, Arp lost his time on the big telescopes because he was making observations that challenged theories. Astronomy is an observational science - it is the only avenue that we have. When a researcher loses status and position because his observations cannot easily be accommodated in current theory, something is VERY wrong.
Troels said:There are whispers in the corners; a growing number of the less informed seem to have lost faith in the objectivity and integrity of science - just take a tour on youtube and you'll see what I mean - epescially when confronted with "that's not peer reviewed and as such we won't touch it with a fire poker"-standard reply. It does leave people with the impression that questions are forbidden and obedience demanded. This is a PR-problem which we cannot continue to ignore.
Therefore, it is strange to me why a site like physics forums take this approach, when the doubters come to seek knowledge - hence my reply to cristo. Now, of course PF must not and shall not be a portal for any manner of crackpotism, but when people ask questions as a result of conflicting opinions out there, I do not think it a very wise move to simply reject the question with the "not peer rewieved"-arguement
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The Stephan's Quintet is a collection of five galaxies located in the constellation Pegasus. Arp's Theories refer to the controversial ideas proposed by astronomer Halton Arp, which challenge traditional theories of galaxy formation and evolution.
The Stephan's Quintet is unique because it is a compact group of galaxies that are gravitationally bound to each other and are in the process of colliding and merging. This makes it a rare opportunity to study the effects of galaxy interactions and mergers on the evolution of galaxies.
Arp's Theories propose alternative explanations for observed phenomena, such as the redshift of galaxies and the origin of quasars. His ideas go against the widely accepted theory of the Big Bang and the evolution of galaxies through the merging of smaller galaxies.
Arp's Theories are supported by observations of peculiar and anomalous objects in the universe, such as galaxies with high redshift values that appear to be physically connected to galaxies with lower redshift values. However, many of his ideas have been disproven or remain unproven by the scientific community.
The study of The Stephan's Quintet and Arp's Theories allows scientists to challenge and test current theories of galaxy formation and evolution. It also provides insight into the processes that shape the universe and may lead to new discoveries and advancements in our understanding of the cosmos.