1. PF Contest - Win "Conquering the Physics GRE" book! Click Here to Enter
    Dismiss Notice
Dismiss Notice
Join Physics Forums Today!
The friendliest, high quality science and math community on the planet! Everyone who loves science is here!

Asymptotic flatness

  1. Apr 7, 2010 #1
    1. The problem statement, all variables and given/known data
    This is not really part of some homework, but I'd rather post it here than annoy other people on the more general threads.

    I'm trying to self study the topic of asymptotic flatness related to General Relativity. The textbook I'm using tries to explain the concept by introducing a flat spacetime M with a metric, in spherical coordinates, and then modifying it.

    2. Relevant equations

    It all starts with the metric:

    [tex]g = dt^2-dr^2-r^2(d\theta^2+sin^2{\theta}d\phi^2)[/tex]

    and expresses it in terms of a retarded system (u, r, theta, phi), where u=t-r:

    [tex]g = du^2-2du dr-r^2(d\theta^2+sin^2{\theta}d\phi^2)[/tex]

    In order to have points at infinity, it then introduces a new coordinate system [tex](u,\Omega,\theta,\phi)[/tex], where [tex]\Omega=r^{-1}[/tex], and gets:

    [tex]g = \Omega^{-2} (\Omega^2du^2-2du d\Omega-d\theta^2-sin^2{\theta}d\phi^2)[/tex]

    In this way, M gets extended to a new manifold [tex]\hat{M}[/tex], which has a well-defined boundary at infinity for [tex]\Omega=0[/tex].

    The metric is not yet fine at the boundary, so it gets rescaled by defining a new metric:

    [tex]\hat{g} = \Omega^2g = \Omega^2du^2-2du d\Omega-d\theta^2-sin^2{\theta}d\phi^2[/tex]

    3. The attempt at a solution
    So far, so good. Now the text says that (I report it literally here):

    "from the form of the metric [tex]\hat{g}[/tex], we see that:

    [tex]\hat{\nabla}_a\Omega\hat{\nabla}^a\Omega = \Omega^2[/tex]


    [tex]\hat{\nabla}^a\Omega\hat{\nabla}_au = -1[/tex]"

    and this really beats me! The best I was able to obtain, by some manipulation is:


    from which one would get that:


    which is not true in general, but I can't see where I'm making a mistake...

    Any help is really appreciated.
    Last edited by a moderator: Apr 10, 2010
  2. jcsd
  3. Apr 7, 2010 #2
    Are you sure the book didn't make a mistake and it actually meant to use [tex]u[/tex] and not [tex]\Omega[/tex]. Especially since the 2nd equation you listed with the [tex]u[/tex] and [tex]\Omega[/tex] makes sense.

    Edit: I am not an expert in GR, so take what I say with a grain of salt :)
  4. Apr 8, 2010 #3
    That's unlikely: in the same section, the text notes that, at the border of [tex]\hat{M}[/tex], where [tex]\Omega=0[/tex], [tex]\hat{\nabla}_a\Omega\hat{\nabla}^a\Omega = 0[/tex]. This makes sense only if you start from [tex]\hat{\nabla}_a\Omega\hat{\nabla}^a\Omega = \Omega^2[/tex].

    Thanks for the suggestion, anyway...
  5. Apr 10, 2010 #4

    George Jones

    User Avatar
    Staff Emeritus
    Science Advisor
    Gold Member

    I hope I'm not too late.

    This looks okay.
    This isn't correct. It is tempting, but incorrect, to think that

    [tex]\hat{\nabla}_a\Omega = \nabla_a\Omega[/tex]



    To get what you want, use your result above together with [itex]\Omega = 1/r[/itex] and the fact that connections act as partial derivatives on scalar functions.
    Last edited: Apr 10, 2010
Know someone interested in this topic? Share this thread via Reddit, Google+, Twitter, or Facebook

Similar Threads - Asymptotic flatness Date
How do I determine whether this metric is flat or not? Nov 13, 2016
Physical asymptote Feb 1, 2015
Asymptotic behavior quadrupole potential Apr 14, 2010
Asymptotic solution Jun 25, 2009
Asymptotically stability Nov 4, 2008