Atwood's machine height problem

In summary: Therefore you must solve for the tension and then use mgh=1/2(mv^2) to find the distance reached by m2In summary, the conversation is discussing a problem involving an Atwood's machine with two masses and an initial velocity. The problem asks for the distance that the second mass rises before coming to rest, given the masses and initial velocity. The conversation mentions using equations involving forces, tensions, and accelerations to solve the problem, but the final answer is incorrect according to the online homework system. The conversation suggests trying a different method, using work energy, to solve the problem.
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Figure 8-20 http://www.webassign.net/walker/08-20b_alt.gif

14. [Walker2 8.P.025.] For the Atwood's machine shown in Figure 8-20, suppose that m2 has an initial upward speed of v = 0.17 m/s.

How high does m2 rise above its initial position before momentarily coming to rest, given that m1 = 3.3 kg and m2 = 4.1 kg?


Here's what I did:

[tex]F_{1} = T - m_{1}g = m_{1}a[/tex]
[tex]F_{2} = m_{2}g - T = m_{2}a[/tex]

and since the tensions must equal each other

[tex](m_{2} - m_{1})g = (m_{1} + m_{2})a[/tex]
or
[tex]a = \frac{m_{2} - m_{1}}{m_{1} + m_{2}} g[/tex]

[tex]a = \frac{4.1 - 3.3}{3.3 + 4.1} 9.81[/tex]

[tex]a = 1.06054[/tex]

I'm pretty confident that the answer is correct so far because the book uses this exact method in their example. Only the masses and velocity are changed. But the book's example stops at acceleration. Our problem asks for a distance, so...

[tex]d = \frac{\Delta V^2}{2a}[/tex]

[tex]d = \frac{0.17^2}{2*1.06054}[/tex]

[tex]d = 0.0136 m[/tex]

[tex]d = 1.36 cm[/tex]

But Webassign, the online homework system says WRONG :mad:

But the same problem in the book, using [tex]m_{1}=3.7 , m_{2} = 4.1 , v = 0.2[/tex] gives an answer of 4cm, which is exactly what I get using the same method. How can this method be good using the book's numbers, but wrong using the numbers in the online problem? Could the online grading be wrong? :bugeye: Wouldn't be the first time :tongue:
 
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hmm not sure
 
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Its much easier if you use work energy to solve this problem. Also the tensions are not equal- only in the static case but the relative position, velocity, and acceleration are.
 

1. What is Atwood's machine height problem?

Atwood's machine height problem is a physics problem that involves calculating the height at which an object is released from an Atwood's machine, a simple device consisting of two masses connected by a string over a pulley, in order to achieve a certain acceleration.

2. How is the height calculated in Atwood's machine height problem?

The height in Atwood's machine height problem is calculated using the formula h = (m1 - m2)g / (m1 + m2), where h is the height, m1 and m2 are the masses of the objects, and g is the acceleration due to gravity.

3. What is the significance of Atwood's machine height problem?

Atwood's machine height problem is significant because it demonstrates the relationship between acceleration, mass, and height. It is also a common problem used in physics education to teach students about these concepts.

4. Are there any real-life applications of Atwood's machine height problem?

Yes, Atwood's machine is commonly used in elevators and cranes to lift heavy objects. The height at which the object is released from the machine determines the acceleration and speed at which it will move.

5. What factors can affect the accuracy of calculations in Atwood's machine height problem?

The accuracy of calculations in Atwood's machine height problem can be affected by factors such as friction, air resistance, and the precision of the measurements of the masses and height. Neglecting these factors can lead to errors in the results.

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