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Banning loud sex

  1. Jul 12, 2009 #1
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/wear/8021185.stm

    Weird and interesting case and the decision.
     
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  5. Jul 12, 2009 #4
    Well..

     
  6. Jul 12, 2009 #5
    I am not sure how they come up with "4 years" ban decision - why not 2 or 6 years - and saying not to make "excessive noise anywhere" (I wondered for like 5 minutes if this means she cannot make any kind of noises even which are non sexual) anywhere in England.
     
  7. Jul 12, 2009 #6
    LOL. Silly brits.

    Is there such a thing as "quiet sex"? If there is, I'm not aware of it.
     
  8. Jul 12, 2009 #7

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    You can be somewhat respecful to your neighbours, though.
     
  9. Jul 12, 2009 #8

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    If the problem is the headboard banging the wall, it is easily remedied to move the bed a few inches away from the wall!

    As for groaning, I don't know...noises like that during sex are a turn off for me...I associate it with being overly dramatic and faking. Still, how loud was she groaning? Are the walls paper thin? Unless the neighbors can already hear all conversations through the walls (in which case, they'd probably not be so likely to complain about it, knowing everyone can hear everything and it's more of a complaint to the landlord for more insulation), you'd have to be shouting for the neighbors to hear it.
     
  10. Jul 12, 2009 #9
    This sounds like something that could have been better resolved by a more neighborly relationship than by government issued citations!
     
  11. Jul 12, 2009 #10

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    But if you don't get on with your neighbours, and they are keeping you awake every night, there are no real other options.
     
  12. Jul 12, 2009 #11
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  13. Jul 12, 2009 #12
    Laws like that are a joke.

    In Germany, our family's dog would bark when we left it in the house for a few hours, and the neighbors complained so that we had to make sure it wouldn't keep making noise.

    However, when their silly kids would run around in the street and yell their heads off at 7:00 in the morning, there's no recourse whatsoever.

    Laws are made to be exploited.
     
  14. Jul 12, 2009 #13

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    Huh? :confused:

    How does one threaten another person with grass?

    (I assume this is about the kind of grass that grows on your lawn, not the kind that you smoke...)
     
  15. Jul 12, 2009 #14

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    I think grass translates into American slang as "rat." So you would threaten someone by either saying something like "you better not grass me up, or else.." or else you could use the term grass as a noun, as you would use "rat".
     
  16. Jul 12, 2009 #15

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    Maybe the threat from "grass" arises in the implied threat of "Your *** is gonna be grass, if ..." (where *** is a 3 letter word rhyming quite noticeably with the word "grass")

    But the practice of the ASBO seems really at odds with my American sense of jurisprudence, insofar as the evidentiary rules permitting hearsay, denying the defendant the opportunity to confront, along with less strict interpretation and weighing of the evidence, ... it just seems the opportunity for mischief and abuse is amplified. Even more so in such softer issues like public orderliness. One person's decorum not being necessarily the same as another.

    Just imagine a tool like that in the hands of Socially Conservative wing-nuts in some parts of the country?
     
  17. Jul 12, 2009 #16

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    They sound a bit like public nuisance type laws in the US, though the enforcement sounds different. Most places in the US have ordinances that limit noise before a certain time in the morning and after a certain time at night, so if your neighbors have endless loud parties that keep everyone awake, you can call the police to have them stop it. Though, the only penalty is usually some sort of fine for each incident. This British version seems to do it more after the fact, prohibiting specific people from specific acts only after neighbors complain instead of just making it a blanket rule on things like noise that everyone must follow.

    Hopefully it only really gets enforced if the police need to be called back repeatedly, and they themselves witness the noise is audible at a disturbing level outside the individual home.

    Yes, in an ideal scenario, one would address the matter with their neighbor directly, but that's not always effective. If they just ignore your requests for them to be quieter, and it's bad enough to really disrupt you in your own home, then yes, at some point you need to start getting someone else involved if you want to preserve your sanity.
     
  18. Jul 12, 2009 #17
    This has given me some good ideas for indecent behaviors which should be made illegal in the US:

    1) Don't wear pants that are too short causing your socks to show.

    2) No hanging out with your friends until you finish you homework.

    3) No whining when you don't get what you want.

    4) No name-calling or tattle tailing.

    In addition, every household should be entitled to 1 full time law enforcement agent to enforce these rules per child (excepting weekends and holidays, unless of course the parents are on vacation, in which case the agent must be on call).
     
  19. Jul 12, 2009 #18

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    Except the handy thing about ASBOs is that they are issued by the local council with no legal oversight so don't have to be based on any laws - you can make up any conditions and apply it to one individual. However breaking one is a criminal offence. The prosecution then doesn't have to show there was any offence, simply breaking the ASBO is enough. Most of them violate human rights act but as long as you are careful to only issue them to poor uneducated kids they generally get away with it.
    Some anti-war campaigners did manage to get one forbidding BAe to sell arms abroad but it was thrown out.
     
  20. Jul 12, 2009 #19
    You'd be suprised. One night at my work I received a call about a woman screaming. After looking around a while I finally heard it myself and I swear that you would have thought that woman was being brutally attacked or something. It wasn't until the loud screams subsided and I got closer to the source that I heard the quieter more identifiable noises and realized what was going on.
    Also a friend of mine had a deaf couple as neighbours once... WOW.


    Similar sorts of proscriptions are made part of court orders here in the US too. Taggers may be banned from being in possession of any impliment commonly used by taggers, including Sharpie markers. People who have been found guilty of animal abuse violations may be banned from owning or caring for animals. One self avowed pedophile here in California was banned by one court from being even as close as one hundred yards from any child at all anywhere in the city even though he had never actually been convicted of a crime. The court order was later shot down by another judge after the man was arrested pretty much just for being in the city at all.
     
  21. Jul 12, 2009 #20

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    Quiet sex.. oh that must be exciting. :rolleyes:
     
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