Understanding Epsilon: Why a+e<b for all e>0 implies a≤b

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In summary, the statement "if a+e<b for all e>0 then a≤b" is true because if a is greater than b, then there exists a value of e that would make a-e greater than b, contradicting the given condition. The concept of epsilon in this context refers to a small positive value used in the proof to show that the supremum of A+B is equal to the sum of the supremums of A and B.
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Why is it true that: if a+e<b for all e>0 then a≤b? What is the meaning of epsilon here?

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Hi Seacow1988! :smile:

(have an epsilon: ε :wink:)
Seacow1988 said:
Why is it true that: if a+e<b for all e>0 then a≤b?

uhh? that would only apply if b was infinite. :confused:

Is this part of some longer proof?
 
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Thanks for the reply! It's a concept taken from a larger proof:

Let A and B be nonempty bounded subsets of R. Let
S = A + B = {a + b : a in A, b in B}.

We want to show that sup S= Sup A + Sup B

Let α = supA, β = supB, and γ = sup(A + B).

Part 1 of the proof is:

Let e > 0 be given. Since α−e/2 < α = supA, we can find a in A such
that α−e/2 < a. Similarly, we can find b in B such that β−e/2 < b.
Let c = a + b. Then (α + β) − e = (α − e/2) + (β − e/2) < a + b = c
and c belongs to A+B. It follows that (α+β)−e < sup(A+B) = γ.
Since this holds for all e > 0, if follows that α + β ≤ γ.

I don't understand the last sentence.

Thanks!
 
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Hi Seacow1988! :smile:
Seacow1988 said:
Let e > 0 be given. Since α−e/2 < α = supA, we can find a in A such
that α−e/2 < a. Similarly, we can find b in B such that β−e/2 < b.
Let c = a + b. Then (α + β) − e = (α − e/2) + (β − e/2) < a + b = c
and c belongs to A+B. It follows that (α+β)−e < sup(A+B) = γ.
Since this holds for all e > 0, if follows that α + β ≤ γ.

This not what you originally wrote :frown:
Seacow1988 said:
Why is it true that: if a+e<b for all e>0 then a≤b?
… this is: if a-e<b for all e>0 then a≤b.

It's because if a > b, then there's an e (= (a-b)/2 for example) with a - e > b.
 
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! Thank you so so much!
 

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The "Basic Epsilon Question" is a fundamental concept in the field of mathematics and physics. It refers to the smallest positive number that can be represented in a given numerical system. This number is often denoted as ε and is used to measure the precision of calculations and to determine the convergence of numerical series.

2. How is the "Basic Epsilon Question" used in science?

The "Basic Epsilon Question" is used in various scientific fields, including mathematics, physics, and computer science. It is an essential concept in numerical analysis, where it helps determine the accuracy and convergence of algorithms and calculations. In physics, it is used in theories such as quantum mechanics and general relativity, where it represents the smallest measurable quantity. In computer science, it is used in programming to compare the precision of different data types and to prevent errors in calculations.

3. Can the value of epsilon change?

The value of epsilon is dependent on the numerical system being used. In the decimal system, the value of epsilon is 0.000...001, where the number of zeros after the decimal point can vary depending on the precision needed. In other numerical systems, such as binary or hexadecimal, the value of epsilon may be different. However, the concept of epsilon remains the same, representing the smallest positive number in that system.

4. What is the significance of the "Basic Epsilon Question" in calculus?

In calculus, epsilon is used to define the limit of a function at a specific point. It is used in the formal definition of a limit to determine how close the input value must be to the limit point in order for the output value to be within a certain range. This concept is crucial in understanding the behavior of functions and is used extensively in advanced calculus and real analysis.

5. How is the "Basic Epsilon Question" related to the concept of infinity?

The "Basic Epsilon Question" and the concept of infinity are closely related. In many cases, epsilon is used to represent a value approaching infinity, as it gets closer and closer to being infinitely small. In calculus, for example, epsilon is used to define the limit of a function at infinity. Additionally, epsilon is used in theories such as the theory of limits to prove the existence of infinite sets and to determine their properties.

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