Basics for: Carbohydrates, Proteins, Amino Acids and Lipids

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The discussion revolves around the basic structures and concepts related to carbohydrates, proteins, amino acids, and lipids, focusing on their chemical composition and biological significance. Participants express confusion about these topics, particularly in the context of a biology course that includes biochemistry.

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  • Conceptual clarification
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses difficulty in understanding the basic structures and formulas of carbohydrates, proteins, amino acids, and lipids.
  • Another participant suggests that the confusion may stem from a passive learning approach and emphasizes the importance of understanding the chemical nature of side chains in proteins.
  • It is noted that proteins are complex molecules with significant biological functions, and understanding their structure is crucial for grasping their roles.
  • A participant mentions that carbohydrates are composed of carbon, hydrogen, and oxygen, primarily serving as an energy source for the body.
  • Proteins are described as being made of amino acids and are essential for body structure and function, with some potential to be used for energy.
  • Amino acids are characterized as the building blocks of proteins, sharing similar elemental composition.
  • One participant states that lipids encompass a broad category of molecules, including fats and oils, but lacks a detailed understanding of their structure.
  • Another participant describes carbohydrates as chains of hexoses linked together, with examples like glucose and fructose, and mentions the role of starch and cellulose.
  • Proteins are described as formed by amino acid linkages, with their structure influenced by interactions among amino acids.
  • It is noted that lipids include various types of molecules without a specific basic format.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally express confusion and seek clarification on the topics discussed, indicating a lack of consensus on the basic understanding of carbohydrates, proteins, amino acids, and lipids. Multiple viewpoints and explanations are presented, but no agreement is reached on a singular understanding.

Contextual Notes

Some participants highlight the need for a more engaging approach to learning these concepts, suggesting that the current method may not effectively stimulate understanding. There is also mention of the importance of connecting biochemical structures to their functions in biological systems.

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I have been trying to get my head around the basics for these four (Carbohydrates, Proteins, Amino Acids and Lipids) for about a week and I just don't understand the basic structure, formulas and such. Help?!
 
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miles johnstone said:
I have been trying to get my head around the basics for these four (Carbohydrates, Proteins, Amino Acids and Lipids) for about a week and I just don't understand the basic structure, formulas and such. Help?!

Wonder whether we can. We deal with comprehension problems and questions arising from textbooks and excercises, we don't write the textbooks.
How much chemistry have you done? If you don't know any, if you haven't done/remember alcohols, amines and so on one chemical formula will look much of a muchness with any other.

You say amino acids and proteins. You do understand the relation between these?

Now I'm thinking what else I can suggest. By the sound of it the problem is (if I'm right you wouldn't be the only one) - it is totally boring, but it is boring because you are studying it in a boring, passive, unenterprising way. You have this heavy book that looks and feels like it was made of lead, and you are boringly learning a series of meaningless structures from lists.

But proteins are not boring, they are the most fantastically, well, protean molecules on Earth and possibly anywhere else! Magic and the secret of life! They are interesting for what they do. The most important thing they do, enzymic catalysis, depends on the chemistry of their side chains. So you have to know the chemical nature of these. Serine has a different chemical properties from histidine or leucine.

So the first thing to focus is the chemical nature of the groups on the side chains. If you remember nothing alcohols (ser and thre) sulphydryls (cys) amines (lys and N-terminals), carboxylic acids, amides, paraffins rapidly refresh them. And anything you hit on for the more oddball ones. You'll need to know how they're ionised or not at neutral pH. Then rapIdly move on to tertiary structure (the 3-D folding of the chain) in connection with some functions asap.

So know the peptide bond structure, the chemical types of side chain, with a name to which aa falls in each type. Knowing how many carbon atoms the side chain of leucine or lysine etc. have is rubbish, I don't remember for certain. Take it in once and then mug it up any time you are going to be tested on it. Then get on to how they typically interact with each other and how the peptide bond folds and how proteins fold and how this makes them work and some examples of them working. I don't have any of the right books, someone else may suggest, but you could browse your uni bookshop, or Amazon etc. for a book on protein structure and function. You need one with good pics but you don't need the latest edition so you could get cheap.
Some of this may be in later chapters of the book you are using. And any enzyme or other protein you come across, you can look it up on Internet. There is probably a structure and explanations for it there; you may not understand or remember everything, but it will all help you focus better when it comes in the course.

In case a good book is slow to find you can more easily find one on how proteins are made in the living cell. This is fundamental and interesting molecular biology you need anyway, and another secret of life. Then you'll at least see plenty of examples of enzymic reactions if not how they work. If you do carbohydrates, similarly look at their biosynthesis at the same time as their structure. Before the proteins are synthesised from aminoacids the aminoacids have to be biosynthesised too. That I'd call uh-huh so-so interesting, but there are plenty of typical biochemical reactions in that too amd may be in your syllabus.

IOW it sounds like your course designers have decided 'they have learn this before we can get them on to that', and IMO that is a mistake, and you have to try run a bit before you walk. It's harder work but better than sitting there with 2 leaden kilos of book.
 
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I'm taking Biology and we have this section of Biochem and I'm so confused!
Thank you for your help!
 
Good luck. To summarise all that, I recommend not staying stuck on your chapter only but ranging forward in your book and other sources to see what these structures do in life (and backwards to any necessary chemistry if hazy) would not only stimulate learning the present chapter, but help when you come again to the future ones later. Right now it could be easier to take in a part of this future stuff just because you yet don't have to, so you are not stressed about how well you do it , yet it will make it easier later.
 
Carbohydrates - made of Carbon, Hydrogen and Oxygen. Used by body for energy.

Proteins - made mainly of Carbon, Nitrogen, Hydrogen, Oxygen and a bit of Sulphur. Made only of amino acids. Make up structure of your body. Can be used for energy.

Amino Acids - made of the same elements as protein (as they are the assembly blocks of proteins). Think of them as sub-proteins.

Lipids - no idea, but are basically just fats/oils.
 
1)Carbohydrates are made of either different kind of Hexoses (6 carbon) cross linked to each other.The basic Hexose may be Glucose or fructose or Galactose etc linked to each other making them Di-saccharides.Basically starch and cellulose is made of glucose cross linking all along.(There are different linkages). You basically see no other metal involvement here except C,H,O.So carbohydrate is train of mono-saccharides.
2)On the other hand proteins are formed by Aminoacid linkages making them assume different structures based on interactions between Aminoacids.So Protein is a big band of AMINOACIDS.
3)Lipids are really a very wide class of molecules ranging from fats,vitamins,sterols etc.Really have no basic format to mention here. You can just say it when you see it.
Hope it helps.cheers.
 

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