Bears playing hockey

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How are these bears playing hockey?
 
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Since it's a Russian circus I assume lots of training involving only kindness and carefully monitored by animals safety authorities - no cruelty at all
 
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Since it's a Russian circus I assume lots of training involving only kindness and carefully monitored by animals safety authorities - no cruelty at all

As opposed to any other circus where the animals are willing participants with great pay and benefits?
 
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The goalies are still hibernating! :biggrin:
 
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The goalies are still hibernating! :biggrin:
One of them has been signed by the canucks.
 
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I don't believe it. The ice skates give it away. Bear feet are too wide for those skates. Those are orangatangs in skillfully crafted bear suits.
 
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As opposed to any other circus where the animals are willing participants with great pay and benefits?

I'm not sure what you're suggesting. Are you suggesting that all animals in captivity, in principle, are slaves?

I think that may be a misconception.

Animals that are well-fed and cared-for can to be quite happy. They thrive on routine, good food and attention.

I'm not suggesting all animals in captivity are happy, what I'm suggesting is that captivity in-and-of-itself is not the determining factor. Instead, well-cared-for animals tend to be happy, poorly-treated animals tend to unhappy.
 
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I'm not sure what you're suggesting. Are you suggesting that all animals in captivity, in principle, are slaves?

I think that may be a misconception.

Animals that are well-fed and cared-for can to be quite happy. They thrive on routine, good food and attention.

I'm not suggesting all animals in captivity are happy, what I'm suggesting is that captivity in-and-of-itself is not the determining factor. Instead, well-cared-for animals tend to be happy, poorly-treated animals tend to unhappy.

You sound like a Talosian. :biggrin:
 
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You sound like a Talosian. :biggrin:
I pulse my temples in your general direction.
 
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I'm not sure what you're suggesting. Are you suggesting that all animals in captivity, in principle, are slaves?

No, but not all animals in captivity are in circuses either. Circus animals are basically slaves.
 
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I'm not sure I'm seeing what needs to be debunked in this video... they're just trained animals.
 
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No, but not all animals in captivity are in circuses either. Circus animals are basically slaves.
How do you know? Have you asked them? Do you think they are entitled to wages?

Not all animals who work for a living would choose to be set free instead. Regular food and a caring owner can have that effect.

I think you are in danger of anthropomorphizing them - thinking that they're being kept from realizing their dreams and making their own mark on the world.
 
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How do you know? Have you asked them? Do you think they are entitled to wages?

Not all animals who work for a living would choose to be set free instead. Regular food and a caring owner can have that effect.

I think you are in danger of anthropomorphizing them - thinking that they're being kept from realizing their dreams and making their own mark on the world.

I think you're in danger of thinking too deeply about my original remark. Many* circus animals are mistreated, here and in Russia. Isn't this common knowledge?

*I'd say most, but I haven't done undercover investigations. I do know how humans with their livelihoods at stake act though, and that means it's not looking good for the animals.
 
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I ask again:

Why is this in the SKEPTICISM & DEBUNKING forum?
 
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The fight at the end was a nice touch. Just like real hockey! :tongue2:
 
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I think the slavery issue is easily decided. Open the cage door. If they leave and don't come back they are Cubans--I mean slaves.
 
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I think you're in danger of thinking too deeply about my original remark. Many* circus animals are mistreated, here and in Russia. Isn't this common knowledge?

It is well-known yes. Even here.
 
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I ask again:

Why is this in the SKEPTICISM & DEBUNKING forum?

Not everything in here is debunkable or inexplicable. In this case, it appeears to be a case of trained animals, and not people in bear suits who are pretending to be real bears, or cgi.
 
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I hope no one here is seriously advocating for the continued use of animals in circus and performance acts? This recent bear hockey video is just another example of humans abusing animals for so they can have their 'fun' day at the circus...
 
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I hope no one here is seriously advocating for the continued use of animals in circus and performance acts? This recent bear hockey video is just another example of humans abusing animals for so they can have their 'fun' day at the circus...

How do you know they're being abused?
 
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How do you know they aren't?

And you are ignoring the fact that many (if not most) circus animals are abused, and that reason alone is enough to banish the practice...
 
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How do you know they aren't?

And you are ignoring the fact that many (if not most) circus animals are abused, and that reason alone is enough to banish the practice...
Abuse happens in orphanages too. Do we shut down all organisations where abuse occurs?

The criminals are the people, not the organisations.
 
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Orphans are considered people, while animals are considered property. This is why abuses occur so often, and are dealt with so rarely.

The bigger argument is that orphanages are necessary and serve a helpful purpose, while circus animals are entirely for human entertainment.

So are orphanages worth the abuse risk? Yes. Are circus animal shows? No. This is simply a question of the greater good...
 
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Are circus animal shows [worth the abuse risk]? No.
It is a subjective answer. You can only answer it for yourself.
 
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I feel like we are at risk of having the thread locked down, but I feel the need to respond still. :\

I agree with your statement, but I don't see how there can be any other answer than no. You believe that the suffering and abuse of thousands of animals is worth having a few laughs at their expense when you take your family to the circus? You enjoy your circus performances when you know that you are contributing to that kind of suffering?
 

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