(AP) "At 6:16 p.m. she expired," said Wasif Ali Khan, a member of Bhutto's party who was at Rawalpindi General Hospital where she was taken after the attack.
This argument is slightly off-topic, because BB was likely killed for political expediency more than any sincere moral umbrage.As long as Muslims do not repudiate those elements within the Quran and the hadiths which give moral sanction to violent response to anyone not considered "Muslim enough", or being "insulting to the faith/Prophet", these types of actions will continue unabated, and spread its deadly consequences beyond the Dar-as-Salaam as well.
It is the moral duty of every Muslim to do that repudiation, in his heart and publicly in his sphere of influence.
Ah, the classical religious-violence-isn't-really-about-religion argument. What do you think triggered it? If you claim that it is by political motivation only, then please explain where the Tibetan Buddhist suicide bombers are? Or why the Swedish social democrats didn't blow up the right when the lost the last election?This argument is slightly off-topic, because BB was likely killed for political expediency more than any sincere moral umbrage.
Indeed, there is only one possible way to resolve that. Reason and secularization.The problem with your stated hope is the Quran is taken as the inerrant word of (their) god, and strict adherence is required of a true, devout Muslim. Passive "slips" would probably be somewhat excusable, but a conscientious, declared repudiation? Think again.
During interviews she confirmed she knew he life was always in grave danger since returing, but felt her mission and the desire to improve her home country made the risk worthwhile. So I suppose deep down she did intend to be a martyr and knew it was just a matter of time. Whether is will have done any good is yet to be seen.It is more than a little frustrating that she knew people were gunning for her but she still left herself open to attack. Did she intend to be a martyr? She wasn't stupid so I have to wonder...
Indeed.So, that just means they have the moral responsibility to stop being that.This argument is slightly off-topic, because BB was likely killed for political expediency more than any sincere moral umbrage.
The problem with your stated hope is the Quran is taken as the inerrant word of (their) god, and strict adherence is required of a true, devout Muslim. Passive "slips" would probably be somewhat excusable, but a conscientious, declared repudiation?
But surely, it would be a major generalization to claim that all Nazis follows "Mein Kampf"? Surely, you should judge Nazism and the Nazis by the center, rather than the extremist fringe? Isn't such a generalization intolerant[URL [Broken][/URL]Similarly, all of us have the moral duty to repudiate the repellent maxims of "Mein Kampf", the difference being that the vast majority of us already have done so, and that we don't find it in the slightest "insensitive" to say to Nazis that they have vile attitudes incompatible with the values of a free society.
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Why would that motivate an act of terror? Because the country has been in turmoil for years? What caused those turmoils? Want to take a guess? :uhh:Umm...probably because she is a female candidate running a campaign based around bringing democracy to a country that has been in turmoil for years! I don't mean to be an ass, but that was one of the worst respones I've see out of you (Moridin) on this forum.
I certainly am not well read on her days as head of state, but I had the take that she was more like a U.S. Grant in that she allowed through ineptness or inattention corruption to run rampant, but she herself was not chiefly motivated by mere money and power. No?Yeah a brave woman who lived a life of corruption.
Pakistan: Benazir Bhutto assassinatedAl Qaeda's central command is taking credit for today's successful assassination of former Prime Minister Benazir Bhutto. A senior al Qaeda military leader in Afghanistan has contacted Syed Saleem Shahzad, a Pakistani journalist for the Asia Times and Adnkronos International with close connections to the Taliban and al Qaeda, and bragged about killing Bhutto.
"We terminated the most precious American asset which vowed to defeat [the] mujahadeen," Mustafa Abu al Yazid, al Qaeda's commander in Afghanistan, told Mr. Shazad. The attack was reportedly ordered at the highest levels of al Qaeda.
"It is believed that the decision to kill Bhutto, who is the leader of the opposition Pakistan People's Party (PPP), was made by al-Qaeda No. 2, the Egyptian doctor, Ayman al-Zawahiri in October," Mr. Shazad also reported. "Death squads were allegedly constituted for the mission and ultimately one cell comprising a defunct Lashkar-i-Jhangvi’s Punjabi volunteer succeeded in killing Bhutto."
I certainly am not well read on her days as head of state, but I had the take that she was more like a U.S. Grant in that she allowed through ineptness or inattention corruption to run rampant, but she herself was not chiefly motivated by mere money and power. No?
Friday August 8, 2003
Details emerged yesterday of how a £117,000 diamond necklace led to the former Pakistani prime minister Benazir Bhutto and her husband being convicted of money laundering by a Swiss court last week.
The pair were given suspended jail sentences of six months each and ordered to repay about £8m to the Pakistani government.
Although Ms Bhutto continues to deny the charges and says she intends to appeal, the Swiss investigating magistrate found that during her second term as prime minister she enriched herself or her husband with kickbacks from a government contract with two Swiss companies.
And what is your point?Umm...probably because she is a female candidate running a campaign based around bringing democracy to a country that has been in turmoil for years!
She was brave alright. But many people will not feel a whole lot of tragedy for the person that was the Taliban's strongest supporter in the mid-90's, a person that diverted over a billion dollars of state money into her personal swissbank accounts and been charged with corruption and money laundering in over a half dozen different countries.Tragic. What a brave woman.
Pakistan's Government has cleared the way for Benazir Bhutto, the former Prime Minister, and her husband, to reclaim hundreds of millions of pounds frozen in Swiss bank accounts, according to senior anticorruption officials.
They say the prospect has been raised by a deal between Ms Bhutto and Pakistan’s military leader, President Musharraf, that will allow her to return home from exile this week.
I think people are being far to oversimplistic about what is a very complex poltical situation. There's four main elements vying for power in Pakistan currently (Bhutto's PPP, Musharraf's PML-Q, Sharif's PML-N and the Islamic militants).
Whilst the militants are the prime suspects for Bhutto's murder, it's not inconceivable that it could've been orchestrated by one of Bhutto's more secular opponents (poltical violnce and assasination is common in the region even in the more stable India). It's also worth noting that all the poltical parties profess to being guided by Islamic principles and all the actors are practicing Muslims, so a characterization of the situation as 'Muslims versus reason' nobody in Pakistan would agree with.
As for the corruption charges it is very difficult to judge how true they are given that the political situation
I find your statement deeply ignorant. In neighbouring Bangladesh, they had Sheikh Hasina for PM at one point, and before that, Khaleda Zia - both women and both remained firmly attached to their body parts throughout their terms. In any case, such an event isn't surprising because the whole region has a history of extreme violence, it's only that there is now a very unstable nuclear-armed country around now.You don't think her being a woman in a position of power offends deep seated Islamic beliefs? You don't think her desire to weaken the power of Sharia law makes most deeply religious Pakistanis hate her for this?