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Best Conspiracies

  1. Dec 14, 2004 #1

    Ivan Seeking

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    One of my all time favorites was a gotcha on us by the KGB during the early years of the cold war. I think it was either the head of NATO, or our highest ranking NATO official that was given a large wood carving of an Eagle - really a large wood shield about two to three feet in diameter [IIRC] with the elaborate carving on the face of it. It was presented as a personal "gift" from the Soviets along with a full serving of U.S. patriotic hype...I mean they really suckered us. This "gift" was mounted on the wall directly behind this official's desk in his private office - again, I'm thinking that this was the head of NATO but it may have been some other very high ranking military or intelligence official.

    The eye of the eagle was a microphone port. The internal circuitry was obviously well hidden, but the key was that it was only active if a KGB agent was across the street and pointing a microwave transmitter at the office window. The microwave energy would power the audio circuit and transmitter hidden in the shield. Since no local power source was present within the carving, and since the transmissions could be turned off by cutting the microwave source, it went undetected for many years. All bug scans of the time assumed that listening devices were powered with batteries so it never showed up during the regular sweeps. The damage was said to be immeasurable.
     
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  3. Dec 14, 2004 #2

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    Microwave transmitter eh? Have many of the people involved sued due to the cancer risk yet?

    Is this a confirmed conspiricy, or one of those that floats around a lot but is never confirmed?
     
  4. Dec 14, 2004 #3

    Ivan Seeking

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    Oh no, this is from a documentary about espionage. Many of the original spies were still around to talk about it - now being a matter of public record. Btw, similar technology is now called RFID.

    Believe it or not folks, the world really does run on conspiracies - from young siblings who agree to lie to their parents, to the KGB spies who lived false lives here for decades. I remember that at least several KGB agents lived here for up to decades - with wives and families who knew nothing of this - only to suddenly return to mother Russia and leave their families behind. Can you imagine the shock!!! In fact, IIRC, even one of the 911 terrorists lived here for ten years or so under similar false pretenses.
     
  5. Dec 14, 2004 #4

    Ivan Seeking

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    This is an interesting site. Take a look.

    http://www.cicentre.com/LINKS_CI-TV.htm
     
  6. Dec 14, 2004 #5

    Ivan Seeking

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    I would also nominate Watergate as great by reason of consequence.

    Note that the only conspiracies elegible here are those that we know about. :biggrin:
     
  7. Dec 14, 2004 #6

    Ivan Seeking

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    "In war truth is such a precious good that it has to be surrounded by a strong body guard of lies". - Winston Churchill
     
  8. Dec 14, 2004 #7

    Ivan Seeking

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    :redface: Okay I may have a few more...

    I think the deception perpetrated on the Germans ala Normandy and Calais is one of the all time greats!
    http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/pathways/battles/dday/ds03.htm

    I also remember a great story about a imaginary spy that the Brits created so as to feed the Germans false information. I'm not certain about all of the details, but British intelligence went to great efforts to create an entire life for a non-existent person. This person was allegedly a spy for the British [I think] who then defected and started spying for Hitler. Even though the Germans never sent any agents to meet this imaginary person, they bought the hoax so completely that we used it effectively for I think the last couple of years of the war. Edit: Actually...after thinking about this, I think they may have used someone to assume the role of the pretend spy for meetings with German agents.

    There was another gut wrenching story about either Roosevelt or Truman [obviously]. We had decoded the Germans Enigma machine
    http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/decoding/
    but we didn't want the Germans to know that. On one occasion we realized that a troop transport [or some other large ship with many men aboard] was going to intersect the path of a German U-boat, but we only knew this because we had decoded Enigma. The President was left with the following decision: Either warn the ship and chance revealing our knowledge of the German code, or preserve our ace-in-the-hole and sacrifice the ship. In the end there was no choice. Our knowledge of the code was so critical that the ship and all aboard had to be sacrificed. Can you even imagine having to make such a decision?
     
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  9. Dec 14, 2004 #8

    Ivan Seeking

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    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/low/europe/3699748.stm
     
  10. Dec 14, 2004 #9

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  11. Dec 16, 2004 #10
    It's not exactly a conspiracy but the whole idea that Hitler was involved in the occult was such a phenomena that it survives as "common knowledge" even today. At that time it made for some interesting events. A supposed astrologer defected to the US during the war and succeeded in getting us to believe that he was one of Hitlers advisors. He claimed that based off of his knowledge of astrology he could give the US information about Hitler's moves in advance by telling the US what Hitler's supposed astrological advisors would tell him based on the stars.
    I found a book called Hitler and the Occult...
    http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0879759739/102-9948447-0349768?v=glance
    It systemmatically goes through most of the rumours about Hitler and debunks them. Very good read in my opinion.
     
  12. Dec 21, 2004 #11

    Ivan Seeking

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    Jonestown massacre

    Perhaps the word "best" is not the best choice, but this event must qualify as a highly significant conspiracy. I don't mean to imply that additional conspiracies existed, but 913 people died; that is a fact. There was at least one conspiracy at work.

    http://www.cnn.com/US/9811/18/jonestown.anniv.01/
     
  13. Jan 9, 2005 #12

    Ivan Seeking

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    The Tuskegee Syphilis Experiment

    PF Thread: https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?p=424116#post424116
     
  14. Jan 10, 2005 #13

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    Tobacco

    http://www.usatoday.com/money/industries/2004-09-20-tobacco_x.htm
     
  15. Jan 12, 2005 #14

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    Haha I guess the tobacco companies at one point, brought a statistician into court to tell them how correleation doesn't imply causality.

    IE: Maybe smoking causes cancer, but maybe having cancer causes people to smoke!

    LOL
     
  16. Jan 12, 2005 #15

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    The Holocaust

    Those who cannot learn from history are doomed to repeat it. - George Santayana

    http://members.tripod.com/~Propagander2/index-13.html
     
  17. Jan 13, 2005 #16
    ‘Plutonium Files’ sheds light on inhuman experiment

    http://www.post-gazette.com/books/reviews/19991121review372.asp

    http://www.thenation.com/docprint.mhtml?i=20000228&s=alterman

    This is one for the thread! Apparently there were thousands who unknowingly were exposed to radioactive materials in experiments carried out covertly and kept quiet by the U.S. government. Just when you thought it was safe to pay taxes.
     
  18. Jan 15, 2005 #17
    U.S. Military Drafted Plans to Terrorize U.S. Cities to Provoke War With Cuba

    More conspiracy by the U.S. Government.

    http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=92662&page=1

    Boy, you cant put anything past anybody!
     
  19. Jan 15, 2005 #18

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    What's interesting to me about this is that looking back on this information, and distanced by several decades, we see it as a tough decision, and a mark of good leadership to have had to make such a decision to keep a secret essential to wartime strategy. However, if we caught wind of a modern-day president or general doing the same thing, we'd be crying for their impeachment or dismissal and wanting to see them hung from the rafters by their toenails...then again, if we were catching wind of it, then the secret isn't much of a secret, is it?
     
  20. Jan 16, 2005 #19

    Ivan Seeking

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    I doubt that a leak back then would have been taken much better by the public. I am quite sure that this remained classified for many years, or even for decades after the war. The Freedom of Information Act has resulted in a landslide of previously secret information.

    Note also that like many presidents, FDR had an affair, which wasn't really a secret but was kept from the public.
     
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  21. Jan 17, 2005 #20
    911

    OK, let's face it, there a million conspiracies about 911! Whose conspiracy theory do we believe? Should we believe the 'official' conspiracy theory of 19 Arabic hijackers? Do we believe a conspiracy theory of DC insiders who wanted to instigate more war? How about the conspiracy theory of Israeli intelligence operatives trying to influence Middle Eastern policy and budget allocations to Israel?

    I personally just don't really know which conspiracy theory is true. I do know enough to say that whichever conspiracy theory you can propose about 911, you can find inconsistencies and contradictions regardless of the source.

    Personally I think 911 will go down as the most unresolvable conspiracy theory of all times and I doubt any of us will ever hear the truth about what really happened. Because of this 911 should be considered the 'best' conspiracy theory ever! :bugeye:
     
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