my normally icy heart melted when Kea approvingly mentioned Standard Muddle, attributing the coinage to me. it was in some locked thread, best forgotten, so I did not have an opportunity to reply. Kea: Marcus' Beyond the Standard Muddle is better. Plurals are unnecessary. What sight so lured him thro' the fields he knew... Me: Thanks Kea ============ why be serious all the time? richard asked "What's in a name?" or was it william? what do you think of the constantly changing title of ORITI'S FORTHCOMING BOOK? It changes every time i see it cited. The Cambridge UP publishers have taken a while to make up their minds. the most recent reference was to: "Approaches to Quantum Gravity - Towards a new understanding of space and time" (ed. D. Oriti), Cambridge University Press, 2006 I think it's good. if a bit wordy. I think QG is towards a new understanding of space and time----and matter too, as an inherent facet of spacetime. High hopes for the book.