Billy Meier: Swiss UFO Contactee or Fake Master?

[RonRyan85]

Forgive me if this subject has been talked to death but I ran a search
and nothing came up so... what is your opinion of this guy and all of
his UFO photos (NON -grainy ones) and his book :"And Yet they FLY". I have
not heard of anything lately and still think he is a big fake. He writes
essays about how the USA is the big monster in the world and never
mentions other countries who tried to trash the Earth: Hitler's Germany,
Stalin's USSR and lately Sadam's Iraq. I heard that Meier had formed a
sort of a religious following in Switzerland and has a PR man in the United
States :Michael Horn? who sells his books and videos and speaks on
radio talk shows. I will admit that his pictures of UFOs are clear and
sharp but wonder how anyone could get so many pictures of the very
mysterious UFO even if he is a "Contactee". Some say "Why does he
never take any pictures from INSIDE the UFOs? (Beamships)?

What do you think? Is he telling the truth or is he a big fake?

 

[Ivan Seeking]

I thought Meiers had been debunked a long time ago. From what I hear, this debunking has been debunked. So I have to start from scratch. No opinion.

 

[Chronos]

Hmm, does the term 'messianic complex' ring any bells? You need not read very much of this to conclude Erich von Danniken is a skeptic compared to Billy Meier. Apparently some people do not have a sense of humor:
http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Corridor/8148/scam.html.
But, form your own opinion. A wealth of material is here:
http://www.figu.org/us/

 

[Ivan Seeking]

Meier claims to be a contactee. He is an all or nothing guy. I realize that it sounds absurd to even consider any such possibility, but I never judge these things by anything other than the evidence. For all that I know, he fell and hit his head or something. Based on what I know, he is a one armed photographer who has produced hundreds of UFO pictures and hours of video. Many of these are clear, close, color, daytime shots. I would think these have been completely debunked, but allegedly not so. This story goes back over thirty years and still continues, it seems.

 

[Ivan Seeking]

Chronos, I don't see a date. I don't know if that's the debunked debunking, or a new debunking.

Edit: http://www.skepticfiles.org/ufo2/meierhx.htm

I think this is the case where the videographers were challenged to reproduce one similar video using models, and after ten years they have not succeeded in doing so. I'm pretty sure that this is the case.

 

[PIT2]

Here are a bunch of Billy Meier videos(The new yahoo video search option is quite useful):

http://video.search.yahoo.com/search/video?p=billy+meier&fr=FP-tab-vid-t&toggle=1&ei=UTF-8

 

[Chronos]

Here is some more up to date information. Check out the pictures. I thought the simulated UFO photos compared quite favorably to the Billy Meiers selection. There is also a report on his 'prophecies', which makes them appear somewhat short of amazing.
http://www.iigwest.com/horn.shtml

 

[Ivan Seeking]

Just for the record, what was discussed among the UFO crowd was a duplication of a video that can pass the same analysis as Meiers videos. Don't get me wrong, I thought this guy was debunked long ago, but fair is fair.

 

[StarLord]

Ivan,

I hope this does not add fresh salt to anything regarding this.

A few years ago, Michael Horn, Meiers's newest messenger started his tour d'internet and eventually got banned from from one of them, ATS. At that time his website had more loose ends than a large pot of noodles. I was rather fond of the link to the "area" Air Force where "all would be revealed" regarding the veracity of the claim.

There are several points of humor the deeper one digs...

Delving deep in FIGU, you find that they have a serious interest in taking your money, almost on a tithe level.

What does ET need with my money?