Bioshock, why is it so popular?

[W3pcq]

I played this game for about 15 min., and then threw it in the trash. I thought that not only was the game play horrible and annoying, but the theme was sadistic. The game seems to be full of inside meanings. Adam and Eve are the main resources, you get eve by killing young girls. Is this not only implying raping them as they use the terms adam and eve? I thought this game was not only way over the boarder sickining, but also very poor game play. Yet, the game is being called the best game of all times by all of the critics. Game spy, and IGN are both owned by the same corp that made bioshock, but all of the reviews seem to be good as well. Is the most sadistic game automatically the best now days?

 

[Art]

I played this game for about 15 min., and then threw it in the trash. I thought that not only was the game play horrible and annoying, but the theme was sadistic. The game seems to be full of inside meanings. Adam and Eve are the main resources, you get eve by killing young girls. Is this not only implying raping them as they use the terms adam and eve? I thought this game was not only way over the boarder sickining, but also very poor game play. Yet, the game is being called the best game of all times by all of the critics. Game spy, and IGN are both owned by the same corp that made bioshock, but all of the reviews seem to be good as well. Is the most sadistic game automatically the best now days?

Hint - You actually get more Eve by not killing the girls.

I'm curious as to why you equate Adam and Eve with rape

 

[W3pcq]

Actually, you get more eve, I'm pretty sure by harvesting the girl. Why the terms adam and eve? Why do you get eve from little girls? It just doesn't make sense to me other than that it must be an inside message. The makers of this game have said that everything in it is designed to make an effect on you, there must be some reason they use adam and eve. Probably the same reason that porno studios use it. Then you are supposed to harvest little girls protected by big daddies in order to gain eve. That is just twisted and sick.

My opinion is that the terms adam and eve are associated in our minds with sex. That way you associate sex with eve, and with harvesting the little girls to get it. All the terminology points toward this.

 

[CINA]

Actually, you get more eve, I'm pretty sure by killing the girl. Why the terms adam and eve? Why do you get eve from little girls? It just doesn't make sense to me other than that it must be an inside message. The makers of this game have said that everything in it is designed to make an effect on you, there must be some reason they use adam and eve. Probably the same reason that porno studios use it. Then you are supposed to harvest little girls protected by big daddies in order to gain eve. That is just twisted and sick.

My opinion is that the terms adam and eve are associated in our minds with sex. That way you associate sex with eve, and with harvesting the little girls to get it. All the terminology points toward this.

Maybe you should play the game more than 15 minutes so your questions are answered?

By the way, you get ADAM for little sisters, not EVE.

 

[W3pcq]

I already feel like a sicko just for buying the game. Why play longer anyways? Nothing changes, you just keep going on to kill more big daddies and harvest little sisters. As a first person shoot, the game is probably worse than the first one ever made.

 

[CINA]

Yes, you just keep going on killing and harvesting little sisters, that is if you ignore the huge storyline going on around you.

The point of the game is its storyline, and if you don't play long enough to see it, well that sucks for you.

By the way you don't have to kill the little sisters you know, right? If you feel bad killing them...then ...um...Don't?

 

[W3pcq]

That is all part of the twistedness, you don't have to harvest the little sisters, but you are encouraged to. The rest of the game has the same philosophical message. I think the message is that instinct is prime and rational self interest. This encourages you to do whatever you need to do to satisfy your prime evil instinct, whether you crave to rape little sisters, or you want to brutally kill people.

 

[W3pcq]

Also when you install the game, it automatically instals a root kit that you can't delete which is supposedly designed to spy on you.

 

[CINA]

How can you say what the meaning of the game is if you've only played 15 minutes of it?

And you are in no way encouraged to harvest the little sisters. The material reward is greater, thats it. If someone walking past me drops their wallets I don't walk off with it, I catch up with him and give it back, regardless of the material reward. I chose to rescue the little sisters regardless of the material rewards. I can just as easily say that the game encourages you to save them because of the emotional relationships forged throughout the game.

I also don't understand where you got the ludicrous idea that you rape the little sisters. I have never heard ANYONE else even suggest that.

 

[W3pcq]

Ok so you don't rape the little sisters on the screen, you just pick them up and they squirm, then they die and turn into some kind of black slime that runs out of your hands. still though harvesting them to fill up your eve never the less sick. That is the main idea of the game is it not?, doing what is right for emotional value vs. doing evil for material value. Also the idea that the world is all doing evil and is selfish, so you must also be evil and selfish to survive.

 

[g33kski11z]

Also when you install the game, it automatically instals a root kit that you can't delete which is supposedly designed to spy on you.

I call b.s. unless you can prove it.

 

[W3pcq]

I guess I can't prove it, that is just what people say in the reviews. I know it does install a root kit that you cannot delete. People say you can only install it 5 times and then it wont work anymore. Maybe that is the only reason that the root kit is installed and cannot be deleted, but some computer techs claimed that it is used to spy as well.

 

[W3pcq]

"Like many others I installed the Bioshock demo, played it and then later uninstalled it. Much to my horror I later discovered that even the demo installs Sony's Securom DRM sh*tware and, whats worse, leaves Securom on your system even if you uninstalled the Bioshock demo!

This is a security risk!

So without further ado:

Securom uninstallation instructions for Windows XP SP2

Disclaimer 1: Only attempt these uninstallation instructions if you are reasonably computer literate and have backed-up your entire system.
Disclaimer 2: Only attempt these uninstallation instructions if you have no games installed which require Securom to be present.
Disclaimer 3: Only attempt these uninstallation instructions if you previously had to authorised your PC with Securom before you could play a game and that game is now uninstalled.

* Step 1: Uninstall the Bioshock demo.

* Step 2: Remove the Securom registry entries.
The Securom registry entries are deliberately made non-removable by default. In order to remove them download the http://www.microsoft.com/technet/s [...] lNull.mspx RegDelNull registry editing utility from Microsoft and install it on your C partition.
Run the following two commands from a Windows command prompt: "C:regdelnull HKEY_CURRENT_USERSoftwareSecuROM -s" and "C:regdelnull HKEY_USERS\SoftwareSecuROM -s" where "" can be determined by searching the registry for the "Securom" directory key. This "" typically has a form like "S-1-5-21-2052111302-1757341266-724545543-500". Once these two RegDelNull commands have been successfully issued the registry should be checked to confirm that these two keys have been deleted. If they are still present they will now be removeable due to the action of the RegDelNull utility.

* Step 3: Removal of the Securom service and related utilities.
Open a Windows command prompt and change directory to "c:windowssystem32". Type "uaservice7 /remove". This will stop the Securom user access service, and clean up its relevant registry entries. On the Windows command prompt type "regsvr32 /u cmdlineext.dll". Reboot and then manually delete the files "uaservice7.exe" and "cmdlineext.dll" from "c:windowssystem32". Note: Both of these files are Securom installed files which can be verified by checking their file properties (Right click - Properties).

* Step 4: Removal of Securom files under "C:Documents and Settings".
Securom installs a hidden directory with 6 files under "C:Documents and Settings\Application DataSecurom". The first 4 ordinary text files can simply be manually deleted once Windows explorer has been configured to show hidden files and folders. The two remaining malformed nominally unremoveable files require a special method to delete: Invoke a Windows command prompt with full Administrator privileges by typing the following into a Windows command prompt: "at /interactive %systemroot%system32cmd.exe" e.g. "at 9:02pm /interactive %systemroot%system32cmd.exe". This will open a new Administrator command line when the time set has been attained. In this new command prompt change directory into the Securom folder e.g. "cd C:Documents and Settings\Application DataSecurom". Issue the following command to show the two remaining hidden malformed files: "dir /A". To delete the two remaining hidden malformed files issue the following command: "del /F /AH *". Confirm "yes" for each of the two file deletions of the malformed files. Finally, the directory "C:Documents and Settings\Application DataSecurom" can be deleted as per normal practice from within Windows explorer."

Sorry, I didn't mean to spread rumors, not a rootkit, just something similar.

 

[Poop-Loops]

It wouldn't be the first time Sony software installs a rootkit on your PC without you knowing. They really need to cut that sh** out.

W3pcq, I don't see why you are so upset. First of all, EVE is never mentioned in the game as far as I can remember. Only ADAM. Moreover, when I think Adam and Eve, I think Genesis and creation, not sex. YOUR mind is dirty, don't project it on everyone else.

The game lets you decide whether or not to kill the girls. You get the good ending if you save them all and they give you rewards later for helping them out. I chose to save them and got the good ending.

The gameplay, story, and atmosphere is what the game is being hailed for. Too bad none of them are groundbreaking. The game tries to be like System Shock 2, but waters down the gameplay.

The game is alright, but it's not great or anything. But by playing it for 15 minutes you wouldn't know, now would you?

I have some advice for you, though: Don't read the Bible, or hell, any other book that has had an enormous influence on society. They all tend to be violent or sexual in nature. Just thought I'd warn you, since you can't handle things that occur in life.

 

[quadraphonics]

Ok so you don't rape the little sisters on the screen, you just pick them up and they squirm, then they die and turn into some kind of black slime that runs out of your hands.

Dude, every time you encounter a little sister, you are presented with a CHOICE of whether to kill them or save them. That you chose to kill them is a reflection on YOU, not the game. In fact, you get MORE rewards if you choose to save them. On top of that, when you encounter the first little sister, a woman begs you to be good and save her. On top of that, the ending of the game depends on whether you choose to save or kill the little sisters and, without spoiling it, it is very much clear that saving them is the preferred route.

still though harvesting them to fill up your eve never the less sick. That is the main idea of the game is it not?,

Yes, the idea that abusing little girls in a scheme to produce ADAM is sick is very much a central theme of the game. That's why you spend most of the game working to bring down the sickos who use the girls that way. You'd know this if you'd played long enough to form even a basic idea of what is going on. Instead, you made the choice to kill the first little sister you encountered, were suitably revulsed at yourself, and are now trying to externalize that impulse onto the game.

doing what is right for emotional value vs. doing evil for material value. Also the idea that the world is all doing evil and is selfish, so you must also be evil and selfish to survive.

Again, if you'd played long enough to even scratch the surface, you'd know that it's a much more complex story than that. Certainly it is not intended to be an uncritical endorsement of the shallow Ayn Rand ideas that pervade the city propaganda. Very much the opposite, in fact.

It's a pretty intense game, and is not for everyone, but the idea that it's endorsing amoral, evil ideologies is completely backwards. It has a very strong moral emphasis. Well, apart from the 95% of the gameplay that consists of slaughtering psychotic industrial workers, anyway...

I really need to play through it again, now that I think about it. I depended too much on the machine gun and invisibility tonic the first time through... Also, anyone have any favorite methods for taking out Big Daddies? I'd usually just fry them with the electric gel, although I started to feel kind of cheap about it by the end...

 

[Poop-Loops]

By the end of the game I was pretty bored so I just kept melee-ing the Big Daddys. One thing about not having a "game over" screen when you die, you know? Really ruined the game for me.

 

[W3pcq]

If anything this game is very satanic. Rapture is nothing like the real world.

 

[W3pcq]

What is the fun in killing the crazy people anyways? The game play sucks bad. They are entirely unintelligent, random and you need to shoot them a whole lot for them to die while meanwhile, they blindside. You never have enough bullets to use the gun very much. You spend most your time scavenging dead bodies. When you use the plasmids it is just like a hand waving weapon with no skill involved except keeping up on resources. The idea that every end enemy is the same, and that the others between don't change either is lame. The way you hack the vending machines is totally lame. That is less fun that doing a connect the dots picture. They made the game to look like a first person shooter mixed with an RPG like fallout. I thought you would be able to interact with people, I thought you would be able to explore areas and have an inventory. I thought you would be able to modify weapons, maybe upgrade armor, instead the game just lets you pick different plasmids. The entire appeal is just the exposure to sadistic imagery.

 

[quadraphonics]

One thing that I think would have improved the gameplay would be to introduce more situations/enemies where you need to use the different weapons/plasmids. Like I said earlier, I just kind of crept around with the machine gun, turned invisible, and then waited for the enemies to wander into my line of fire. I never even used certain of the weapons... Even at the end boss, all I had to do was stand still and open up with the machine gun. I didn't even work out how to use the trap bolts until after I'd already beaten the game. I guess I should turn the difficulty up before I complain too much, though. Maybe next time through I'll use all those melee tonics that I skipped last time around, and bash some heads...

Actually, I was kind of stoked that they reused the old Pipe Dream game for the hacking. I remember playing that on NES back in the 80's...

 

[W3pcq]

A better game is ,"stalker". That is what I thought bioshock was going to be like. I cannot for the life of me see why almost everyone rates it as the best game ever. These people cannot be hardcore gamers.

 

[Poop-Loops]

If anything this game is very satanic. Rapture is nothing like the real world.

If anything, you just need to stop playing video games. They clearly have a bad influence on you.

 

[W3pcq]

If anything, you just need to stop playing video games. They clearly have a bad influence on you.

It is not me who I am concerned with. It is the impact that this kind of stuff will have on the world and the future. Kids are going to grow up playing this stuff and being influenced by it. The fact that the game itself is sold is a testament to the philosophy that it teaches. The idea that we must be marketed to with such sadistic and gross imagery shows the lack of moral value behind it. To expose a millions and millions of young people to such horrible gross content to make money off of them is consistent with the theme of selfishness and doing evil to gain materialistic value.

I grew up playing mario brothers. I don't know what kind of effect growing up playing bioshock would have on a person. It is proven that people learn with imagery. Monkey see, monkey do is pretty much how most of our learning works. Being locked in the basement for hours on end as a kid playing very immersive and sadistic games has got to have some kind of bad effect.

 

[W3pcq]

If anything, you just need to stop playing video games. They clearly have a bad influence on you.

I'd rather not even look at the cover. It is pure garbage. I am shocked that such a game can be advertised on TV.

 

[mattmns]

I had never even heard of this game before you started this thread: sounds like an interesting game, and the reviews are very positive. I might have to go check this out, thanks!

 

[Poop-Loops]

It is not me who I am concerned with. It is the impact that this kind of stuff will have on the world and the future. Kids are going to grow up playing this stuff and being influenced by it. The fact that the game itself is sold is a testament to the philosophy that it teaches. The idea that we must be marketed to with such sadistic and gross imagery shows the lack of moral value behind it. To expose a millions and millions of young people to such horrible gross content to make money off of them is consistent with the theme of selfishness and doing evil to gain materialistic value.

I grew up playing mario brothers. I don't know what kind of effect growing up playing bioshock would have on a person. It is proven that people learn with imagery. Monkey see, monkey do is pretty much how most of our learning works. Being locked in the basement for hours on end as a kid playing very immersive and sadistic games has got to have some kind of bad effect.

Teaching them that a slave obeys, and a man chooses, even if it means choosing his own death. Teaching them that even though humanity is selfish and self-serving, that doesn't mean they have to be. Teaching them that trying to have a civilization by controlling every aspect of it is bad and won't work.
Teaching them that even though science is good, it can be used in evil ways, and people need to be careful.

Is that the effect you are talking about?

 

[W3pcq]

Teaching them that a slave obeys, and a man chooses, even if it means choosing his own death. Teaching them that even though humanity is selfish and self-serving, that doesn't mean they have to be. Teaching them that trying to have a civilization by controlling every aspect of it is bad and won't work.
Teaching them that even though science is good, it can be used in evil ways, and people need to be careful.

Is that the effect you are talking about?

Is humanity selfish and self serving? That must be what you learned? That human nature is evil? Teaching them that controlling every aspect of controlling civilization is bad? Is that what is happening today? You don't need to be self serving, but everyone else is, so if you aren't your a sucker?

Not to mention the desensitization that it does to people. To a kid that stuff is very real, they kill enough innocent people in a game, and they won't have a problem doing it to a real person. The more you are forced to kill these poor industrial workers who are victoms themselves, the less bad you feel about doing it. The same thing happens in real war, after so many people killed, you stop feeling bad about it.

This desensitizing goes hand in hand with promoting selfishness over rightiousness. This junk hardens kids into cold people, cold people are more likely to choose the selfish path that rewards more materialistic value. The more they use this self serving ideology, the less bad they feel about it. The game is an attack on your morals through emotional numbing and rational self interest.

 

[devil-fire]

What is the fun in killing the crazy people anyways? The game play sucks bad. They are entirely unintelligent, random and you need to shoot them a whole lot for them to die while meanwhile, they blindside. You never have enough bullets to use the gun very much. You spend most your time scavenging dead bodies. When you use the plasmids it is just like a hand waving weapon with no skill involved except keeping up on resources. The idea that every end enemy is the same, and that the others between don't change either is lame. The way you hack the vending machines is totally lame. That is less fun that doing a connect the dots picture. They made the game to look like a first person shooter mixed with an RPG like fallout. I thought you would be able to interact with people, I thought you would be able to explore areas and have an inventory. I thought you would be able to modify weapons, maybe upgrade armor, instead the game just lets you pick different plasmids. The entire appeal is just the exposure to sadistic imagery.

I'm not sure where to start with this, so I'll just start from the top.

In every shooter game I have played, it has either been crazy people, nazis, aliens, zombies or robots that have been blown to bits. this is actually to prevent the player from feeling guilty for running around being a mass murderer to regular folk going about their daily business. ultimately, if you feel guilty when you kill any of the above in a video game, i think your selection of shooters is vary limited.

bioshock, like many shooters, keeps the player short on ammo for any one particular weapon to encourage them to use other weapons. However I can understand your frustration if you believe playing the first 15 mins of a game is representative of the entire experience. Even in half-life (a game most consider to be the best shooter franchise of all time) you run around totally weaponless for the first few mins

About the game requiring no skill, it might be helpful to take advantage of the different difficulty settings, that is what they are there for.

"The idea that every end enemy is the same, and that the others between don't change either is lame." I'm not sure what this means. the enemies were too similar? yeah, I've been kind of annoyed with that lately in shooters too, humanoids are over used in bioshock, stalker, half-life, etc.

I think the only similarities between bioshock and fallout is the retro look. I know I wasn't expecting any similarities beyond that point.

you do modify weapons in bioshock

as for sadistic imagery, I think that is in just about every shooter. I mean it is really quite horrific to think of a person killing hundreds, if not thousands of people and single handedly reshaping the world order in the wake of such carnage and death. If your referring to the whole raping of children thing you were getting at earlier, I totally don't get it. I don't connect the dots between "harvesting little sisters" by taking a giant black slug out of them and sexual molestation.

 

[CINA]

The message of the game is questioning one's beliefs, that's why rapture is the way it is, Ryan never doubted himself. I don't see how thats a bad message.

 

[W3pcq]

The enemies are very different in this game than in others. The audio is very impressive, the sobbing and mumbling of the enemies before they notice you. They try and make you feel sorry for them. They display to you that they were normal people who had real lives which were destroyed. Then these poor victoms notice you and attack. I see this as simply a method of making you less sensitive about killing people who you would normally be compassionate to.

 

[W3pcq]

The message of the game is questioning one's beliefs, that's why rapture is the way it is, Ryan never doubted himself. I don't see how thats a bad message.

More like questioning your belief in compassion and rightousness. Being suggestive of cynisim

 

[W3pcq]

Teaching them that a slave obeys, and a man chooses, even if it means choosing his own death.

Isn't that what satan said to adam? Further evidence that the game is Satanic

 

[cristo]

Why do people get so worked up about video games? If you don't like it then don't play it!

 

[W3pcq]

Why do people get so worked up about video games? If you don't like it then don't play it!

That is like saying why do people get so upset about torture, if you don't like it , don't watch it. This further makes my point about the rational self interest philosophy. The idea that one should care nothing of what happens to anyone but themeself.

Too me it is like walking by and seeing someone hit a child, they see you and say mind your own business, so you are just supposed to walk by as of it doesn't concern you.

 

[W3pcq]

All it takes is for good men to do nothing for everything to go to hell.

 

[K.J.Healey]

Yes. Hitting a child and torture are quite on the same level as a 17+ Mature Rated videogame.

Allowing freedom is not turning a blind eye. Thats like saying if you don't chose peoples lives out completely for them then you go to hell because you didn't stop them from committing a sin.

This is so ridiculously off topic and wandering into some sort of religious argument about values.