Black holes and photons ?

[dany74q]

Hello everyone,
I have a question that bothers me quite some time now,and it would be great to get an answer.

I have been reading some time now about black holes,and photons,and how black holes attract photons and different theories says it can or cannot escape the black hole,and there`s some things that aren`t clear to me:
1.How can a black hole attract a massless particle?
2.How can we see the black hole if he "swallows" the photons ?
3.quite general - are black holes confirmed as "anti - matter" or is it an unconfirmed hypothesis?

So many thanks,
if the question is not appropriate to this section I would be grateful if one of the moderators could move it.
Danny.

 

[clm321]

you can't see a black hole directly only by how it interacts on its surroundings and it dose not atract a particle the black holes immense gravity pulls it in

 

[dany74q]

it dose not atract a particle the black holes immense gravity pulls it in

Thanks,though I`m still confused about the quoted sentence -
I understand that the high value force of black holes gravity pulls the photons in,but how it can affect the photons if they are massless ?
I know that when calculating the force of gravity between 2 objects when one of the masses valued zero (which it is in this case),the equation itself equal zero = no force applied on neither objects.
Am I not correct?

 

[clm321]

well if you believe in string theory they say graty may be causesd by gravitons and the transfer of these particle causes force if they somehow are transferred between photons you can see how gravity only depends on its mass by the amoput of particles available to give off gravitions

 

[DavidSullivan]

1.How can a black hole attract a massless particle?

Photons have relativistic mass. See the FAQ here on the forum: https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=104715


-David

 

[dany74q]

Photon have relativistic mass. See the FAQ here on the forum: https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=104715


-David

Thank you for sharing that source,some very interesting FAQ.
Though if I understood correctly the formula,then their relativistic mass is also 0,
as m-rel = gamma * m0 (rested),as m0 equal zero then m-rel will be zero as well,
plus - if m-rel is "gain in mass" and equivalent to the value of the velocity increment it will always be zero with photons,as theoretically they move in the same velocity,
or maybe I understood it wrong?

Thank you so much for your answers,
I really appreciate it.

 

[DavidSullivan]

Thank you for sharing that source,some very interesting FAQ.
Though if I understood correctly the formula,then their relativistic mass is also 0,
as m-rel = gamma * m0 (rested),as m0 equal zero then m-rel will be zero as well,
plus - if m-rel is "gain in mass" and equivalent to the value of the velocity increment it will always be zero with photons,as theoretically they move in the same velocity,
or maybe I understood it wrong?

Thank you so much for your answers,
I really appreciate it.

I don't know - I'm not a physicist and simple questions in physics seem always to have long and difficult explanations.

I found the explanation in the FAQ to be a good conceptual starting point and should narrow your search if you chose to continue digging.

Good luck!

-David

 

[cragar]

mass or energy creates a gravitational field as stated in relativity . we know that light has energy E=hf
A photon it self has its own gravitational field.

 

[DaveC426913]

1.How can a black hole attract a massless particle?

It doesn't. Gravity is not an attraction; it is a curvature of spacetime.

All massive objects - planets and BHs alike - warp spacetime. All objects - massive or massless - follow the curve of spacetime. Around a BH, spacetime is so curved that photons follow their straight path through curved spacetime to the BH.

2.How can we see the black hole if he "swallows" the photons ?

We do not see a BH itself. But they tend to acquire an accretion disc of infalling matter. This matter gets compressed and shines brightly, especially in X-rays.

3.quite general - are black holes confirmed as "anti - matter" or is it an unconfirmed hypothesis?

I know of no such hypothesis. Where did you read this?