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Black Light Power?

  1. Sep 6, 2006 #1
    http://www.blacklightpower.com/
    So, what do you think? is it posible? or it's a big scam??
     
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  3. Sep 6, 2006 #2

    arildno

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    Since he uses the words "paradigm shift" he is most likely a crackpot who has read more philosophy than physics, and understood both branchs of knowledge equally badly.
     
  4. Sep 6, 2006 #3

    Ivan Seeking

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  5. Sep 6, 2006 #4

    mrjeffy321

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    The author uses the phrase,
    "an electron orbiting a proton"
    as if the electron is like a planet orbiting the sun, which we now know to be less than totally true in the quantum atomic theory.

    "allows the electron to move closer to the proton",
    Can it not be shown, mathematically, using the Schrödinger Equation that the ground state of an electron is the ground state for a reason, the electron's positions are not just some arbitrary distances away from the nucleus, but areas of the highest probability to find an electron, and in some places, no probability at all. You cannot just willy-nilly move electrons in and out, they will only exist in very specific locations around an atom.
     
  6. Sep 6, 2006 #5
    I know this sounds like crackpot, they even claim quantum physics are wrong!
    What amaze me is that they are a well established company, they have 13 directors, research installations, books writen, etc etc.

    Take a look at the board of directors: http://www.blacklightpower.com/management.shtml

    They seem to be very well educated people who has worked in big corporations.
    Are they stupid??? or they are evil people trying to cheat everyone?
    I mean, could they realy belive what they are saying?
     
  7. Sep 6, 2006 #6

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    It takes no great effort to put up an official looking web page with a lot of doctors and so on listed. This is a con game! Don't take their claims seriously.
     
  8. Sep 6, 2006 #7

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    They are a high-profile corporate scammer. Whereas a lot of old-time perpetual motion frauds were one guy working alone selling books or seminars, these guys have gone to great lengths to set up a company to fool biggger (richer, higher profile) idiots into wasting their money "investing" in their scam ($50 million is impressive). It's all in this article they have posted on their website: :uhh:

    http://www.blacklightpower.com/pdf/WSJ 1.9.06 C3.pdf

    It is worth noting that this scam is old. His book came out in 1992 and these high profile dupes haven't seen a dime from their "investments" in 13 years. All the "company" does is update the book and churn out the occasional worthless press release.
     
  9. Sep 6, 2006 #8

    mrjeffy321

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    Have you all listened to the radio interview?
    Essentially, the guy says (several times) during the interview that over the past 80 or so years, everyone has been “brainwashed” with this “voodoo” science to believe the quantum mechanical view of the atom. However, he claims that he has been able to solve the true nature of atoms and he can do what no one else can I terms of atomic theory.
    His process involves electrolytically producing Hydrogen gas from water, then taking this Hydrogen gas and changing it into a new type of Hydrogen gas which has less energy (since the electrons are apparently closer to the nucleus). This new Hydrogen he creates is supposedly non-combustible and non-reactive.
    He said that his process could “run indefinitely” to produce energy which is half the current cost of electricity or gasoline today…..repeatedly saying “100 to 1000 times the energy than in fossil fuels”.
    And he was sure to say that “with enough investment” this technology will really take off.

    He explains that the name of his company (Black Light power) comes from the fact that the energy given off by the Hydrogen’s atom supposedly dropping to a sub-ground state level gives off light energy which is above the visible spectrum...thus light you cannot see,…black light.
    If this were true, then the bare minimum energy which a photon would need in order to be just outside the visible spectrum (let’s estimate 350 nm) would have to be about 5.68 E-19 Joules. In the interview, he said that 7 liters of water can create enough energy to “light, heat, and air condition a typical home for one entire year” (“by simple arithmetic”).
    1 Liter of water is about 55.5 moles of water. In every mole of water there are 6.022 E23 molecules of water. In every molecule of water, there are 2 Hydrogen atoms. In every Hydrogen atom, there is 1 electron. Thus, in every Liter of water, there are about 6.68 E25 electrons. If every electron can jump once and only once from its previous ground state to the new “ground” state, giving off the previously calculated 5.68 E-19 Joules per jump, then the maximum amount of energy which would be obtained from the Hydrogen would be about 3.8 E4 kJ. So in 7 liters of water, one could obtain 2.66 E5 kJ of energy…or just under 74 kilowatt hours of energy! I don’t know about you, but I am pretty sure that it takes more than just 74 kWh to light, heat, and air condition my house for an entire year….and that was just simple arithmetic.
     
  10. Sep 6, 2006 #9

    Ivan Seeking

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    I had intended that Russ would have the last say here but mrjeffy321 snuck his post in under the wire while I was closing the thread.

    As far as I'm concerned, this claim has been debunked.
     
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