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  1. Jan 7, 2005 #1
    Blue Book Archive
    http://www.bluebookarchive.org


    :surprised


    Daniel G.
     
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  3. Jan 7, 2005 #2

    Ivan Seeking

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    Nice catch Mr. G. :smile:
     
  4. Jan 7, 2005 #3
    Couldn't wait any longer :rofl:

    Daniel G.
     
  5. Jan 7, 2005 #4
    So have you guys found anything conclusive?
     
  6. Jan 7, 2005 #5

    Ivan Seeking

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    Conclusive in what sense?
     
  7. Jan 7, 2005 #6
    Conclusive in a spidey sense! :rofl:

    Just kidding, no anything that would be conclusive in the respect of UFO's being more than the long list of things that skeptics and debunkers purport, ie that these phenomena are real and are controlled by ETs!
     
  8. Jan 7, 2005 #7

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    See post #6 in the UFO Napster above for more information.

    The opinions on Blue Book investigations vary greatly. Beyond a doubt, some scientists involved were very impressed with the facts and information related to some investigations, others were not. Many scientists felt that the summary conclusions stated publicly were not representitive of specific cases that they managed. That said, here is the official USAF statement.

     
  9. Jan 7, 2005 #8

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    I should add that Allen Hynek, the chief science advisor to Project Bluebook, the originator of the swamp gas explanation for UFOs, and father of many popular debunking arguments, later admitted that this posture was required by the project's objective, and he is now viewed as the father of modern ufology.
     
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  10. Jan 7, 2005 #9

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    -- Dr. J. Allen Hynek: Professor emeritus and chairman of the astronomy department at Northwestern University. Earlier, he was director of the Lundheimer Astronomical Research Center at Northwestern. He has written astronomy books and articles that have appeared in numerous science journals, as well as an astronomy column for Science Digest magazine. He was chief scientist for NASA's satellite tracking program, and for twenty years was the scientific consultant to the United States Air Force in the investigation of the UFO phenomenon. He is credited with coining the phrase "close encounters of the third kind" and was Steven Spielberg's technical consultant on the film of that name. Dr. Hynek died in April 1986.
     
  11. Jan 7, 2005 #10
    H...m Nice idea but its pretty incomplete (probably).
    I've actually read some of the real Blue book material second-hand and there's a lot missing from here.

    First the UFO bit is mostly completely separate from the bit I read/was told about, but I have done a quick search on what's there and I didn't find any of the things I would expect.


    These are some of the things supposedly held by Project Blue Book

    Physics & other science - banned, hidden, stolen, and classified.

    The Hoover Files, - a completely uncensored history of the 19th and 20th century, supposed to contain an archive of Hitler’s private papers and personal effects, legend has it this includes Hitler’s own cryogenically frozen body.

    UFO (Flying Saucer) - not aliens but how to build a UFO, speculative physics - the authors include Einstein and Oppenheimer and others. (also includes all the secrets of Nuclear bomb physics)

    The FBI psychic program - this is the one everyone wants. used as an umbrella to hide all the FBI's old secrets. Things like a map of government corruption and who killed Kennedy. The psychic program itself is a colossally valuable document, it is THE definitive scientific work on psychic phenomena, its also so classified that even the president can't read it.


    The Blue Book archives are supposed to be hidden in special sealed bunkers, designed to be opened after a hundred years. Another legend is that the bunkers were defended by nuclear bombs designed to destroy the entire bunker if it was opened improperly.
    That is not the only legend of course, there are many others - that the bunkers were never finished, that Hoover stole the bombs, that Hoover had a bomb placed under the Pentagon in case the military betrayed America, even that the nuclear bombs were set off when the CIA destroyed the old FBI in the late 1970's.

    I would like to point out that the fall of the old FBI was simultaneous with the rise of the new right, and this was no coincidence. If you’ve never heard of any of this remember the communist slogan .. "history doesn’t exist."!
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  12. Jan 7, 2005 #11

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    The last post is nonsense. The original bluebook documents can be found at the Library of Congress.
     
  13. Jan 8, 2005 #12
    Does anybody already recognized what time span is covered by the available microfilm rolls at www.bluebookarchive.org[/url] ? This is the only [url=http://www.sspc.jpn.org/ufo/data/bluebookmicrofilm.html]list[/URL] I found so far regarding details about the microfilms...


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    Ok, I checked myself: Everything [b][COLOR=Red]red[/COLOR][/b] [I]is[/I] covered by the [url]www.bluebookarchive.org[/url]. Roll [B]91[/B], which is not in this list is also available. INSTRUCTIONS: Roll 1 means "[T1206-1]" at the archive, Roll 87 "[T1206-87]" and so on...


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    [CENTER][SIZE=4]Project BLUE BOOK Microfilm Rolls Index[/SIZE]


    CASE FILES OF INDIVIDUAL SIGHTINGS
    [code]
    Roll
    No. File No. Date Location
    [COLOR=Red]1 Index 1 - 54 Summer 1947 - 7/9/47 Information File - Midland, MI
    2 55 - 179 7/9/47 - 7/24/48 Grand Falls, Newfoundland - AL[/COLOR]

    3 180 - 271 7/26/48 - December Ehamblee, GA - Kirtland AFB, NM
    1948
    4 271 -342 December 1948 - 4/9/49 Kirtland AFB, NM - Rockford, IL
    5 343 - 443 4/9/49 - 6/26/49 Toledo, OH - Pennsylvania, OH
    6 444 - 599 6/27/49 - 11/25/49 Kirtland AFB, NM - Mt. Palomar, FL
    7 600 - 848 11/27/49 - 12/6/50 McIntosh, NM - Ft. Myers, FL
    8 849 - 1011 12/9/50 - 12/9/51 London, England - Andrews AFB, MD
    9 1012 - 1187 12/10/51 - 5/7/52 Riverside, CA - Rio de Janeiro, Brazil
    10 1188 - 1376 5/8/52 - 7/1/52 31.20N70.00W(Atlantic) - Phoenix, AZ
    11 1377 - 1494 7/2/52 - 7/19/52 Tremonton, UT - Elkins Park, PA
    12 1495 - 1673 7/19/52 - 7/28/52 Rock Island, IL - Washington, DC
    13 1673 - 1836 7/28/52 - 8/5/52 Washington, DC - Westover AFB, MA
    14 1837 - 1999 8/5/52 - 8/27/52 Malaya - Birmingham, AL
    15 2000 - 2167 8/27/52 - 10/15/52 Baltimore, MD - Bay of Bengal
    16 2168 - 2300 10/16/52 - 12/27/52 Korea - Canadian, TX
    17 2301 - 2505 12/28/52 - 3/19/53 Albuquerque, NM - Harmon AFB, Newfoundland
    18 2506 - 2615 3/19/53 - 7/2/53 Crystal Lake, OH - Tinker AFB, OK
    19 2616 - 2792 7/3/53 - 11/16/53 Fremont, WI - Catalina, CA
    20 2793 - 3024 11/7/53 - 5/24/54 New York, NY - Richmond, IN
    21 3025 - 3287 June 1954 - 10/29/54 Mooresille, IN - Azores
    22 3288 - 3499 10/31/54 - 4/16/55 Calcutta, India - Los Angels, CA
    23 3500 - 3740 4/17/55 - 9/1/55 Burtonwood, England - Hawthorne, CA
    24 3741 - 4025 9/2/55 - 3/20/56 Swquin, MA - Fairhaven, MA
    25 4026 - 4291 3/20/56 - 8/13/56 Andrews AFB, MD - Staunton, VA
    26 4292 - 4541 8/13/56 - 11/27/56 Hermanville, MI - Dayton, OH
    27 4542 - 4751 11/28/56 - 5/7-8/57 Washington, DC - Macon, GA
    28 4752 - 4960 June 1957 - 9/20/57 Uruguay - Montauk, NY & Benson, PA
    29 4961 - 5169 9/20/57 - 11/6/57 San Antonio, TX - United States, 21 reports
    30 5170 - 5385 11/6/57 - 11/21/57 Seoul, Korea - Houm, AL
    31 5386 - 5631 11/21/57 -1/14/58 Silver Springs, MD - Dayton, OH
    31 5632 - 5810 1/14/58 - 5/14/58 Houston, TX - Farmington, NM
    33 5811 - 6057 5/15/58 - 9/11-13/58 Caracas, Venezuela - Japan & Western States

    34 6058 - 6210 9/17/58 - 12/13-14/58 35.00N48.00W(Atlantic) - East Coast US
    (Atlantic)

    35 6219 - 6335 12/13 - 14/58 - East Coast US (Atlantic) - Kunsan AB, Korea
    4/16/59
    36 6336 - 6522 4/16/59 - 9/24/59 Tuba City, AZ - NC. & VA
    37 6523 - 6679 9/25/59 - 3/20/60 Burington & Proctor, VT - Monroe, WI
    38 6680 - 6854 3/22/60 - 7/18/60 Hawaiian Islands - Mineral Wells, TX
    39 6855 - 6938 7/18/60 - 8/31/60 Verona, Italy - Chicago, IL
    40 6939 - 7128 8/31/60 - 11/23/60 Glenview, IL - Midwest U.S.
    41 7129 - 7321 11/23/60 - Spring 1961 Kansas City, KS - Kemah, TX
    42 7322 - 7508 3/14/61 - 7/19/61 San Diego, CA - Hamilton, OH
    43 7509 - 7641 7/20/61 - 9/20/61 39.30N 12.58W (Pacific) - Lincoln, NH
    44 7641 - 7818 9/20/61 - 2/25/62 Lincoln, NH - Kotzebue, AK

    45 7819 - 7970 2/26/62 - July 1962 9.14N90.32W(Panama Canal) - North Brunswick,
    NJ
    46 7971 - 8180 July 1962 - 10/22/62 Glenside, PA - 65.20N28/50W(Atlantic)
    47 8181 - 8366 10/23/62 - 5/26/63 60.14N13.36W(Atlantic) - Gulf of Mexico
    48 8367 - 8521 5/28/63 - 8/13/63 Philadelphia, PA - Borger, TX
    49 8513 - 8700 8/13/63 - 2/23/64 Smithland, IA - Philadelphia, PA

    50 8701 - 8848 2/24/64 - 5/30/64 California & Oregon - COMANVSUP for
    Antarctica
    51 8849 - 8968 5/30/64 - 7/25-26/64 OrangeVille, CA - Hamilton, MT
    52 8969 - 9148 7/27/64 - 10/30/64 Norwich, NY - Yorkshire, England
    53 9148 - 9312 10/30/64 - 3/12-13/65 Yorkshire, England - Brooklyn, NY
    54 9313 - 9462 3/13/65 - 7/4/65 Rochester, NY - Taiwan
    55 9463 - 9647 7/4/65 - 8/2/65 Bloomsburg, PA - Albuquerque, NM
    56 9648 - 9786 8/2/65 - 8/15/65 Florence, AZ - Thackery, OH
    57 9787 - 9902 8/15/65 - 9/4/65 Dayton, OH - Pittsburgh, PA
    58 9903 - 10043 9/4/65 - 10/27/65 Ketchikan, AK - Newton Center, MA
    59 10044 - 10216 10/27/65 - 3/1/66 Cloverdale, OH - Stafford Springs, CT
    60 10217 - 10345 3/1/66 - 3/31/66 Beloit, WI - Uttica, NY
    61 10346 - 10479 3/31/66 - 4/22/66 Rehoboth, MA - Middlebury, VT
    62 10480 - 10622 4/22-29/66 - 6/5/66 Leeburg, FL - Dexter, OH
    63 10623 - 10746 6/6/66 - 7/19/66 Sahanna, OH - Houston, TX
    64 10765 - 10870 7/19/66 - 8/18/66 Del Paso Hts, CA - Xenia & Dayton, OH
    65 10871 - 10982 8/18/66 - 10/1/66 Deluth, MN - Dayton, OH
    66 10983 - 11106 10/2/66 - 10/30/66 Colorad Springs, CO - Youngsville, NY
    67 11107 - 11245 10/30/66 - 12/66 West Chester, PA - Additional Sightings
    68 11246 - 11357 1967 - 2/12/67 Los Angeles, CA - Deluth, MN

    69 11358 - 11468 2/12/67 - 3/1-4/67 Cheltenham, MD - Additional Sightings
    1/2

    70 11468 1/2 - 3/1-4/67 - 4/1/67 Additional Sightings - Tueson, AZ
    11593
    71 11594 - 11699 4/1/67 - 4/30/67 South Wellington, TX - Newburg, NY
    72 11700 - 11801 4/30/67 - 6/20/67 Austin, TX - Denver, IA
    73 11802 - 11909 6/20/67 - 6/31/67 Dayton, OH - Indianapolis, IN
    74 11909A - 12010 6/31/67 - 9/21/67 Indianapolis, IN - Nashville, TN
    75 12011 - 12082 9/21-29/67 - 10/24/67 Additional Sightings - Kettering, OH
    76 12083 - 12170 10/24/67 - 12/5-11/67 Greenville, OH - Additional Sightings
    77 12171 - 12270 12/12/67 - 3/6/67 Tyler, TX - Traverse, City, MI
    78 12271 - 12328 March-April - 4/21/67 Additional Sightings - Kettering, OH
    79 12329 - 12381-E 4/23/67 - July 1967 San Bernardino, CA - Dayton, OH

    80 12381-F - 12452 July 1967 - 7/15/68 Dayton, OH - Yellow Springs, OH
    1/2
    81 1245 1/2 - 12545 7/15/68 - 10/26/68 Yellow Springs, OH - Manchester, NH
    82 12546 - 12628 10/26/68 - 2/10/69 Boone, NC - St. Louis,. Mi
    83 12629 12711 2/10/69 - 8/24/69 Pine Bluff, AR - Dayton, OH

    84 12712 - 12750 8/26/69 - December Dayton, OH - Round Lake, IL
    1969
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    PROJECT (ADMINISTRATIVE) FILES
    [code]
    Roll [COLOR=Red][b]Administrative Files: Box 1[/b][/color]
    No.
    [COLOR=Red]Technical Report, "Unidentified Aerial Objects, Project SIGN," Feb. 1949: 74 pp.
    Technical Report, "Unidentified Flying Objects, Project GRUDGE," Aug. 1949: 408 pp.
    Final Report, Project TWINKLE, 27 Nov. 1951: 25 pp.
    Status Reports and Special Reports, GRUDGE - BLUE BOOK
    Report 1: 33 pp.
    Report 2: 29 pp.
    85 Report 3: 11 pp.
    Report 4: 19 pp.
    Report 5: 17 pp.
    Report 6: 20 pp.
    Report 7: 28 pp.
    Report 8: 40 pp.
    Report 9: 46 pp.
    Report 10: 81 pp.
    Report 11: 34 pp.
    Report 12: 35 pp.
    (All reports are Status Reports; Report 1 includes Special Report 1)

    [/COLOR]----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------[COLOR=Red]

    [b]Administrative Files: Box 2[/b]

    Staff Study - 1952 (Capt. Ruppelt): 49 pp..
    AISS folder (Miscellaneous dates): 58 pp.
    AFOIN Plan on UFO's ( May 1957 - Feb. 1958): 11pp.
    Staff Study - Dec, 1958: 36 pp.
    FTD UFO Panel (1959 - 1960): 25 pp.
    Review of Motion Picture "Unidentified Flying Objects" (1960): 17 pp. plus newspaper clipping
    Staff Study, 28 Sept. 1959: 58 pp.
    Proposed Transfer to SAFOI (Dec. 1959 - April 1960): 20 pp.
    Proposed Transfer to ARDC (Feb.1960 - April 1962): 15 pp.
    Deputy Director File Jan. 1961: 39 pp.
    Untitled folder containing copies of Air Force Regulation 80-17 w/Revisions (1966 - 1968) :11 pp.
    86 Summary to Project BLUE BOOK (Jan. 1956): 3 pp.
    First Status Report Project STORK (Preliminary Work for Special Report #14), April 25, 1952: 102 pp.
    Special Report No. 14 (May 5, 1955): 315 pp.
    Correspondence and miscellaneous file relating to Special Report No. 14: 54 pp.


    [b]Administrative Files: Box 3[/b]

    Dr. Fitts' Reports (April 1949): 17 pp.
    USAF "Aids to Identification of Flying Objects" (1957): 57 pp.
    Untitled folder of photographs, containing about 50-60 photos, mostly of USAF personnel, with many duplicates
    Advisory Panel on the Scientific Use of Balloons Meeting 15 Nov. 1965: 78 pp.
    Sub-Committee Hearling, March 1966 (USAF SAB): 40 pp
    S.A.B. and Recommendations 1966: 31 pp.
    USAF Test Group: UFO Material 19 Sept. 1966 - 25 Oct. 1969: 30 pp.
    Foreign Technology Division: "Soviet Effort to Contact Extraterrestrial Life," 3 Feb. 1967: 67 pp.
    [/COLOR]----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------[COLOR=Red]
    Project BLUE BOOK (USAF SAB, 3 Feb. 1966): 137 pp.


    [b]Administrative Files: Box 4[/b]

    ATIC UFO Briefing 1 April 1952: 44 pp.
    Press Conference - Gen. Samford 1952: 42 pp.
    Capt. Ruppelt ADC Briefing 24 Jan. 1953: 29 pp.
    Standard BLUE BOOK Briefing, 9 Feb. 1953: 18 pp.
    Indoctrination D/I Representatives, 18-19 Feb. 1957: 2 pp.
    McClellan Sub-Committee Hearings, Feb. - March 1958: 4 pp.
    20 June 1958 Briefing, Representative Henderson: 16 pp.
    8 Aug. 1958 McCormack Sub-Committee Briefing: 30 pp.
    Proposed Hearing 1961 (Including Mr. Hine's Visit): 17 pp.
    11-15 July 1960: Congressional Briefings (Mr. R. Smart): 21pp.
    Eglin AFB Briefing by Dr. Hynek (27 April 1960): 39 pp.
    Briefing AFIT by Lt. Col. Friend, 9 Feb. 1961: 6 pp.
    87 UFO Briefing - Troy Ohio, 14 March 1961: 6 pp.
    UFO Briefing 29 Oct. 1962 - 30 Jan. 1963: 40 pp.
    FTD Correspondence Folder, 10 July - 1 Aug. 1963: 27 pp.
    The UFO Program to the American Society of Newspaper Editors, 22 April 1967: 21 pp.
    Briefing 7 July 1967 to Gen. Garland: 24 pp.
    August 1952 Air Intelligence Digest Article (Ruppelt): 34 pp.
    AVRO Car Folder: 8 pp.
    UFO Policy Meeting, Feb. 1959: 27 pp. (Note: All materials this folder marked "For Official Use Only")
    ATI School Training Lecture, "The UFO Program" (1957): 54 pp.
    Armstrong Circle Theater, "UFO: Enigma of the Skies," Broadcast of 22 Jan. 1958: 78 pp.
    Col. Tacker Radio Interview, Dec. 1960, on "Washington Viewpoint:" 13 pp.
    Committee on Science and Astronautics (1961): 150 pp. publications @ 2 pp. per reproduction; 6 pp. other material
    Library of Congress Legislative Reference Service: "Fact about UFO's" 5 May 1966: 48 pp.
    D.O.D. News Releases and Fact Sheet (1952-1968): 185 pp.[/COLOR]
    [/code]

    INSPECTOR GENERAL, USAF - OFFICE OF SPECIAL INVESTIGATIONS (OSI)
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    Roll No. File Date or Location
    88 Chronological Files 9/9/48 - 8/31/49
    Chronological Files 9/14/49 - 10/5/62
    District 1 - Westover AFB, MA
    89
    District Files, 1949-67 District 2 - New York, NY
    District 3 - Harrisburg, PA
    [COLOR=Red]District 3 - Harrisburg, PA
    District 4 - Bolling AFB, DC
    District 5 - Wright-Patterson AFB, Dayton, OH
    District 6 - Robins AFB, Robins Field, GA
    District 7 - MacDill AFB, Tampa, FL
    District 8 - Maxwell AFAB, AL
    District 9 - Barksdale AFB, LA
    District 10 - Kelly AFB, Kelly Field, TX
    District 11 - Tinker AFB, Oklahoma City, OK
    90 District Files, 1949-67
    District 12 - Scott AFB, IL
    District 13 - Offutt AFB, Omaha, NE
    District 14 - Lowry AFB, Denver, CO
    District 15 - Great Falls, AFB, MT
    District 16 - Hill AFB, Hill Field, UT
    District 17 - Kirtland AFB, NM
    District 18 - USAF Specialized Depot, Maywood, CA
    District 19 - Fairfield - Suisun AFB, CA
    District 20 - McChord AFB, WA
    [/COLOR]----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------[COLOR=Red]
    District 21 - Langley AFB, Langley Field, VA
    District 22 - Griffiss AFB, Rome, NY
    District 23 - Carswell AFB, FT. Worth, TX
    District Files, 1949-67 District 24 - Chicago, IL
    District 25 - Selfridge AFB, MI
    District 26 - No Records
    92 District 27 - Ramey AFB, PR
    Alaskan Air Command
    Caribbean Command
    Far East Air Force
    Overseas Commands, 1949- 68
    USAF in Europe
    Millitary Air Transport Service
    NewFoundland Base Command[/COLOR]
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    PHOTOGRAPHS
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    Roll No. File Date
    [COLOR=Red]93 Case File Nos. 10 - 4715 6/24/47 - 5/2/57[/COLOR]
    94 Case File Nos. 4750 - 12615 OSI Files 5/2/57 - February 1969
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  14. Jan 8, 2005 #13
    But until there is conclusive, emperical evidence there is no way that you can prove that UFOs driven by ETs exist and this will always be to the discreditment of serious researchers. Of course the crackpots dont mind at all!
     
  15. Jan 8, 2005 #14

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    Who said that anyone is trying to prove anything. When you asked if we had found anything conclusive, I posted the best answer going. You chose to make this about ET. Now who's the crackpot?
     
  16. Jan 8, 2005 #15

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    Crackpot is an expression applied to claims, or interpretations of evidence, not honest, and in the case of Bluebook, highly qualified investigation of reported phenomena. Many people get this confused.
     
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    Whoa there Ivan, I was not trying to suggest that you were a 'crackpot'. I humbly apologize if you took it that way. My bad.

    I guess the problem I have with the subject is that there are so many crackpot/opportunists involved and it is nearly impossible to distinguish between the two. Let's face it, there is obviously money to be made in this stuff on the one hand and on the other there are some seriously disturbed people out there. It bugs me that serious research on the subject is routinely regulated to the crackpot arena. There is phenomena happening but it gets murky because of the fringe catagaory that it is and thus does not get the research that might explain it.

    Now excuse me while I phone home to alpha centaurie or was that zeta reticulie. Can I borrow your cell phone?:tongue2:
     
  19. Jan 9, 2005 #18

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    Okay, fair enough. I wasn't taking it personally but the subject of UFOs is not automatically indicative of pseudoscience, crackpotism, or ET, in spite of much of the popular following and internet garbage. Most people who haven't taken a serious look at the subject usually don't realize this. Your post led me to believe that you were lumping this all together. Of course, ET is always lurking around the UFO literature waiting to show his ugly little gray face. I don't know if we can kill him or not but for now I assume that we can. I don't know how, but it might all make sense one day without the need for ET.

    The idea that a highly energetic phenomenon, like ball lightning, might induce hallucinations that account for some reports, is a tempting one. This combined with experimental craft, hoaxes, and maybe even a deliberate attempt by our military and the Soviets to perpetuate the myth... I can still thinks of ways to explain it all without ET and without ignoring highly compelling accounts and reports. On the other hand, it is only the most rigorous approach that allows the luxury of doubt in some cases. I'll tell you, I spent an hour on the phone with Col Halt one night - from the Rendlesham Forest/Bentwaters incident. When I hung up, I'd bet that I just sat and stared at the wall for nearly an hour. I hit him with hard and pointed questions designed to dig out any evidence of something more natural than described. He insisted that there was an intelligence involved. He was also very convincing. At the least, he seems to believe what he is saying.

    Dunno... :confused: :grumpy:
     
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  20. Jan 10, 2005 #19

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    I was thinking and remembered one funny thing about Halt: He actually backed away from ET explanations. He insisted on intelligence, but not ET intelligence - an interesting distinction. Then, I remembered reading about how plasma can seemingly mimic intelligent behavior. I keep meaning to find the author who discussed this... He was a plasma physicist, IIRC, and he wrote about how plasmas can seem to act with intent. Of course he meant this wrt our perception of things, and not that plasma is alive [I hope :uhh:], but in his many years of work he was quite struck by this.

    The movie "Backflash" claimed that Fireman often say this about their own encounters with plasma. I don't know if that was genuine or not.
     
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  21. Jan 10, 2005 #20

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    Not to completely derail this from any Bluebook discussions [sorry Mr. G], but since I brought it up, here is Halt's report. If anyone want to get into that story, since this came long after Bluebook, please start another thread.
    http://www.defenselink.mil/pubs/foi/ufo/dep_ba1.pdf
     
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