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Body modification

  1. Nov 18, 2003 #1

    wolram

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    why do people whant to modify thier bodies? and where do they
    get the ideas?
    a few i can rember, a tribe whoes women stretched thier
    necks with rings.
    another i think both genders that stretch the bottom lip
    by inserting a wood stretcher into it.
    the list goes on and it seems no part of the body has
    escaped attention.
     
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  3. Nov 18, 2003 #2
    How about peacocks with the huge tail feathers, the Drosopholia H with a large wide hammer head, the mallard duck with a green head???

    Simple, sexual selection.

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  4. Nov 19, 2003 #3

    Kerrie

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    body modifications such as these examples are no different then people who get tatoos or piercings...to them it's a form of art...
     
  5. Nov 19, 2003 #4
    Art, which was originated and elaborated upon, due to sexual selection.

    Nautica
     
  6. Nov 19, 2003 #5

    wolram

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    but where do they get the ideas from? why is having
    a long neck, huge bottom lip sexy.
    i have tattoos when i had them it was considered
    macho not sexy
     
  7. Nov 19, 2003 #6

    Kerrie

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    yes, due to sexual selection to a degree, however, it's our love of art that helps set us above just the basic animalistic instinct of gaining a sexual partner...perhaps nautica, you speak for yourself and not everyone...

    by the way, it that your sexy self adorned with a tatoo in your avatar?
     
  8. Nov 19, 2003 #7
    Yes, that is me and no I do not speak of myself. I only speak of how these art forms started - not how they are elaborated upon today, due to our love of art.

    Even in nature we do not completely understand sexual selection, but we do know that it does exist.

    Nautica
     
  9. Nov 20, 2003 #8

    Another God

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    Chinese foot binding started because it was deemed sexy to have small feet. It started off as a simple observation on behalf of some prince I think, and, just as in the case of an evolutionary arms race, the females start trying to out compete each other, trying to get smaller and smaller feet.

    Chances are, most forms of tribal and cultural extreme body modification started like this.
     
  10. Nov 20, 2003 #9
    I agree with Another God's post, and it reminds me of Richard Dawkin's "memes" (from the book, The Selfish Gene), which are the main subjects of cultural evolution, just as genes are the subjects of organic evolution.

    As to wolram's question:
    And don't you think that it's in our genes for (most) females to consider the "macho" male sexy? That's the result of sexual selection, obviously, since for females to be attracted to the alpha male leads to stronger and stronger blood-lines.
     
  11. Nov 20, 2003 #10

    selfAdjoint

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    It's almost like a quantum fluctuation creating the universe. Some accidental slight preference of long ago gets amplified by the positive feedback loop of sexual selection.
     
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