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Body pH & germ theory of disease

  1. Dec 13, 2003 #1

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    Often while channel surfing late at night, I'll see an infomercial with some doctor who claims that all ailments are caused by too much acidity in the body. So far, I have always flipped the channel immediately and given it no further thought. Now while web-surfing I found this website which rejects the germ theory of disease and also states that body pH is the problem. http://www.unhinderedliving.com/germtheory.html

    Anyone have an idea how extensive this belief is? Where does it fall on a crackpot scale of 1-10? (my 5-minute assessment ranks it very high on the crackpot scale, but I'm sure there's more to the story)
     
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    Whoever wrote this has not the slightest understanding of biology.

    "The pH of those people's bodies' was not acidic enough to support the transformation of the germ into a bacteria, fungus or virus."
    How does a germ transform into a virus. Judging from the quote. I dont think the author knows the difference between a virus, bacteria, and fungus.
     
  4. Dec 14, 2003 #3
    I breifly skimmed it and I think they think that as acidity changes, the microorganisms in it change form. If it happens to microorganisms, why not to any cell? Or equivalently, I did not happen to see their reasoning why my mouth doesn't turn into a mushroom when I eat a lemon.
    This rates amoung the very highest on my BSometer.
     
  5. Dec 15, 2003 #4

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    Excellent point. It's surprising that even with something as well established as germ theory, there are still such beliefs out there.
     
  6. Dec 15, 2003 #5
    The body's pH range of the body is very narrow, about 0.1 (my memory sucks, but it seems that it's between 7.30 and 7.40). Much beyond either boundary will cause you to end up dead.

    Most pathogenic bacteria, on the other hand, will thrive in a much wider range of pH, often as high as a changes in hydrogen ion concentrations of a factor 10,000.

    I tend to agree, my BS meter is pegged, on this one.
     
  7. Dec 15, 2003 #6

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    The rejection of 'germ theory' is more widespread than you think, chiropractors (though I must stress that not all chriopractors a are quacks, but if you do meet a chiropractor who claims he can cure anything don't let him/her anyway near you) who believe that chriropractory can cure all ailments also tend to reject germ theory as do others in alternative 'medicine'.
     
  8. Dec 19, 2003 #7
    Well, of course germs are bogus. Who in their right mind would believe that there are little tiny animals that are all over your body, swarm by the millions, they make you sick, but you cant even see them. And because ontology clearly refutes germ theory, that obviously establishes this body-PH theory of disease.

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    Woohoo! First post!
     
  9. Dec 25, 2003 #8

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    Here is a good article and also a good link. http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/DSH/coral.html

    Acid/Alkaline Theory of Disease Is Nonsense
    Gabe Mirkin, M.D.
    Have you seen advertisements for products such as coral calcium or alkaline water that are supposed to neutralize acid in your bloodstream? Taking calcium or drinking alkaline water does not affect blood acidity. Anyone who tells you that certain foods or supplements make your stomach or blood acidic does not understand nutrition.

    You should not believe that it matters whether foods are acidic or alkaline, because no foods change the acidity of anything in your body except your urine. Your stomach is so acidic that no food can change its acidity. Citrus fruits, vinegar, and vitamins such as ascorbic acid or folic acid do not change the acidity of your stomach or your bloodstream. An entire bottle of calcium pills or antacids would not change the acidity of your stomach for more than a few minutes.

    All foods that leave your stomach are acidic. Then they enter your intestines where secretions from your pancreas neutralize the stomach acids. So no matter what you eat, the food in stomach is acidic and the food in the intestines is alkaline.

    You cannot change the acidity of any part of your body except your urine. Your bloodstream and organs control acidity in a very narrow range. Anything that changed acidity in your body would make you very sick and could even kill you. Promoters of these products claim that cancer cells cannot live in an alkaline environment and that is true, but neither can any of the other cells in your body.

    All chemical reactions in your body are started by chemicals called enzymes. For example, if you convert chemical A to chemical B and release energy, enzymes must start these reactions. All enzymes function in a very narrow range of acidity. (The degree of acidity or alkalinity is expressed as "pH."). If your blood changes its acidity or alkalinity for any reason, it is quickly changed back to the normal pH or these enzymes would not function and the necessary chemical reactions would not proceed in your body.

    For example, when you hold your breath, carbon dioxide accumulates in your bloodstream very rapidly and your blood turns acidic, and you will become uncomfortable or even pass out. This forces you to start breathing again immediately, and the pH returns to normal. If your kidneys are damaged and cannot regulate the acidity of your bloodstream, chemical reactions stop, poisons accumulate in your bloodstream, and you can die.

    Certain foods can leave end-products called ash that can make your urine acid or alkaline, but urine is the only body fluid that can have its acidity changed by food or supplements. ALKALINE-ASH FOODS include fresh fruit and raw vegetables. ACID-ASH FOODS include ALL ANIMAL PRODUCTS, whole grains, beans and other seeds. These foods can change the acidity of your urine, but that's irrelevant since your urine is contained in your bladder and does not affect the pH of any other part of your body.

    When you take in more protein than your body needs, your body cannot store it, so the excess amino acids are converted to organic acids that would acidify your blood. But your blood never becomes acidic because as soon as the proteins are converted to organic acids, calcium leaves your bones to neutralize the acid and prevent any change in pH. Because of this, many scientists think that taking in too much protein may weaken bones to cause osteoporosis.

    Cranberries have been shown to help prevent recurrent urinary tract infections, but not because of their acidity. They contain chemicals that prevent bacteria from sticking to urinary tract cells.

    Taking calcium supplements or drinking alkaline water will not change the pH of your blood. If you hear someone say that your body is too acidic and you should use their product to make it more alkaline, you would be wise not to believe anything else the person tells you.

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    Dr. Mirkin is an associate clinical professor of pediatrics at Georgetown University School of Medicine and is board-certified in four specialties: allergy and immunology; sports medicine; pediatrics; and pediatric immunology. He practices medicine in Kensington, Maryland; produces and hosts a syndicated radio that can be heard online; publishes a monthly newsletter (The Mirkin Report); and has written books on sportsmedicine, weight control, and low-fat eating. His Web site contains reports on hundreds of topics.


    Coral Calcium and Robert Barefoot ||| Quackwatch Home Page


    This article was posted on February 6, 2003.
     
  10. Aug 10, 2008 #9
    Dr. Young answered Gabe's arguments point by point at another web page. I give the debate win to Young.
     
  11. Aug 11, 2008 #10

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    I found that by a Google search, but it's not worth linking to. The first point was 'refuted' by claiming that, rather than being strongly acidic, the ideal pH of the stomach is > 7.2.

    :bugeye:

    Not that there's any sort of evidence given for this outlandish claim...
     
  12. Aug 11, 2008 #11
    Upon reconsideration, I have suspicions that Dr. Young is an opportunist. His academic credentials are extremely weak. But there does appear to be a relationship between pH of perhaps the blood and extracellular fluid and disease, particularly cancerous tumors. Note
    Science News, July 5, 2008; Vol 174 #1, "Seeing Disease's Acidic Side" by Amy Maxmen.
     
  13. Aug 11, 2008 #12

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    I can't speak to that, but certainly it's a much weaker claim -- easier to believe -- to say that there's a nonzero relationship between blood pH and disease, than to reject the germ theory of disease.
     
  14. Aug 20, 2008 #13
    What if I told all of you that I'm impervious to all disease and illness. This was possible through means that no one could have ever imagined, yet still in human reach. This is why no one can reach unbelievable hights. People have been taught to think so small and carelessly. I just happend to see this and learn the ancient ways on my own.
     
  15. Aug 20, 2008 #14

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    You would have to prove it by publishing valid medical research on you posted in a peer reviewed journal that substantiates your claim. Otherwise, such claims are not allowed here.
     
  16. Aug 26, 2008 #15

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    Crackpot claims are no longer appropriate for S&D.
     
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