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Boson gas

  1. Aug 22, 2006 #1
    Let's suppose we have a Boson Non-interacting gas under an Harmonic potential so

    [tex] V(x)= \omega (k) x^{2} [/tex]

    the question is if we know what the Partition function is [tex] Z= Z (\beta ) [/tex] we could obtain the specific Heat, and other important Thermodinamical entities...but could we know what the "dispersion relation" w(k) for k real is? , i have looked several books about "Solid State" but i don't find any info about how to get dispersion relations using partition functions or similar..or if we can find an Integral or differential equation for the w(k)..thanks
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  3. Aug 22, 2006 #2
    We can really only know the partition function if we know w(k). For a given Hamiltonian for which we can find the eigenspectrum, the partition function for n non-interacting, once we know the partition function for a single particle in this potential we are able to formulate the many-body partition function. I this what you are asking is to calculate the response function for the system, which is different from w(k)
  4. Aug 22, 2006 #3
    Sorry "Epicurus" i'm not Brittish or American so my english sometimes sounds ambigous..my problem is..

    -Let's suppose we know the TOTAL partition function for the system [tex] Z(\beta ) [/tex]

    - If we have a Non-interacting Boson gas we have that: [tex] Z(\beta)= \prod _k Z_k (\beta) [/tex]

    - I wish to calculate fro this...the "dispersion relation" [tex] \omega (k) [/tex] using the functions i know (Total partition function and Specific Heat, Gibss function and similar that can be obtained from the Total partition function )... for example getting a differential equation or other type of equation for [tex] \omega (k) [/tex] so it can be solved by numerical methods to obtain the "frecuencies"..Hope it's clearer (my question) now...
  5. Aug 22, 2006 #4
    1-The expression you have written down in the third line is incorrect.
  6. Aug 22, 2006 #5
    - Are you refering that for a Non-interacting gas the "total partition function" (Harmonic approach) isn't equal to the product of all the partition function for all the particles taking N=1 ?....
  7. Aug 23, 2006 #6
    Yes that correct. You talking about the distinguishable case, not the bosonic case.
  8. Aug 24, 2006 #7
    - Well in any case...is there any form to obtain the "structure" (unit cell) of the gas or the dispersion relation, speed of sound [tex] c(k)= \frac{d \omega }{dk} [/tex] or any quantity related to the "frecuencies"...? I know that from the partition function you could calculate "Entropy" , "Energy" (U) and other Thermodinamical functions but not the "frecuencies"..perhaps you could use X-ray scattering or other method but if you don't know the "shape" (unit cell) of the gas i think you can't do anything.
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