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Homework Help: Brachistochrone homework

  1. Sep 17, 2011 #1
    1. The problem statement, all variables and given/known data

    consider a sigle loop of the cycloid with a fixed value of a. A car is released at a point P0 from rest anywhere on the track between the origin and the lowest point P, that is P0 has a parameter 0<theta0 < pi. show that the time for the cart to roll from P0 to P is given by the integral

    time( P0]/sub] -> P) = [itex]\sqrt{\frac{a}{g}}\int \sqrt{\frac{1 - cos\vartheta}{cos\vartheta_{0} - cos\vartheta}}d\vartheta[/itex]

    integral is from theta naught to pi

    and prove the integral equals [itex]\pi\sqrt{\frac{a}{g}}[/itex] the integral may be tricky and you can use theta = pi -2(alpha)
    2. Relevant equations

    [itex]\frac{df}{dx}=\frac{d}{dy}\frac{df/dx'}[/itex]

    3. The attempt at a solution

    1/2 mv2 = mg(y-y1

    v = [itex]\sqrt{2g(y-y1}[/itex]

    dt = ds/v

    T = [itex]\int\frac{\sqrt{1+(x')2}}{\sqrt{2g(y-y1}}[/itex] dy

    test the Euler formula to get

    y = a(1 - cos(theta)) y' = asin(theta)

    x = a (theta - sin(theta)) x' = a - acos(theta)

    This is now the part I am having a problem with

    Now i substitute my y and x' in

    T = [itex]\int\frac{\sqrt{1 + (a( 1 - cos(\vartheta))2}}{\sqrt{2ga(cos(\vartheta) - cos(\vartheta0)}}(asin(\vartheta)[/itex]

    and somehow that equals the top equation. Then i need to integrate it, which i get no where near close to what it wants no matter what the substitution and trig identities

    not sure why all the itex isn't working
     
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  3. Sep 18, 2011 #2
    Re: Brachistochrone

    Do this help?
     

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  4. Sep 18, 2011 #3
    Re: Brachistochrone

    it sure did sometimes i'm such a retard, x and y do not depend on each other they depend on theta...

    because i was doing sqrt ( 1 y'^2) dx

    thank you very much
     
  5. Sep 18, 2011 #4
    Re: Brachistochrone

    x and y do depend on each other but the answer had to be in terms of theta so that was a more useful parameter?
     
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