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Brits no longer to be considered failures

  1. Jul 21, 2005 #1

    Pengwuino

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    Your not a failure, you just haven't succeeded yet

    PS, The title is to show the location. Its not meant to be an attack on british people.
     
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  3. Jul 21, 2005 #2

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    I'll let you off the hook with the title of your thread, for now... No energy to slag off USians right now! :tongue:

    This stuff gets right on my tits. I don't even see that there will be an argument about this, it'll get laughed right out of whatever legislative board it gets put in front of. A healthy fear of failure is what gave kids like me the motivation to do some ruddy work!

    They can't even sing "Baa Baa Black Sheep" in nurseries or schools any more for fear of inciting racial hatred, and teachers must no longer refer to the "blackboard", but "chalkboard" instead. It's political correctness gone mad! :smile:
     
  4. Jul 21, 2005 #3

    Pengwuino

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    Read my PS jerk :P Dont make me slap you!
     
  5. Jul 21, 2005 #4

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    Hah, sorry, I must have read it with too much, uhh, salt! :smile:
     
  6. Jul 21, 2005 #5

    Pengwuino

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    Yes you did, you were suppose to throw it over your shoulder!
     
  7. Jul 21, 2005 #6

    Evo

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    "deferred success" :rofl:

    "I didn't fail chemistry, my success was just indefinitely deferred"

    :rofl: <wipes tears from her eyes>

    edit:I'm bending a rule here and copying this to GD, I think more people will see it here and I'm curious what people think of this. I can see both sides to this, but I feel that there is a limit to skirting the issue.
     
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  8. Jul 21, 2005 #7

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    What in the world is going on with the thread. Do you love it that much evo :D
     
  9. Jul 21, 2005 #8
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    Very strange...
     
  10. Jul 21, 2005 #9

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    Well dagnabit, my edit was lost.

    edit:I'm bending a rule here and copying this to GD, I think more people will see it here and I'm curious what people think of this. I can see both sides to this, but I feel that there is a limit to skirting the issue.

    I left the original post in place.
     
  11. Jul 21, 2005 #10
    I'm seeing double!

    I'm seeing double!

    :cry:


    edit: Nevermind. I guess I'm just seeing things. Or I deferred success on my vision test. :biggrin:
     
  12. Jul 21, 2005 #11

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    Yeah, this copy function is a bit flaky. :grumpy:
     
  13. Jul 21, 2005 #12
    heh, England was such a good country, and now they are ruining it :(
    This is the first step... This is like those "Participation" or "You tried" ribbons O.O
     
  14. Jul 21, 2005 #13
    This is just silly.
     
  15. Jul 21, 2005 #14
    Some schools in Texas no longer use red ink to grade papers because it looks bad. Funny thing, a green or blue F will still fail your arse.
     
  16. Jul 21, 2005 #15

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    I think that was the beginning of the downfall. We need MORE red ink, not less! Set those kids straight and make them earn their grades!

    Well, how about we just get rid of F's and work down A through E, E can stand for "Eh, maybe you'll do better when you retake it next year." :biggrin:

    Really, I think this is such silliness (when I saw the article this morning, it was titled, "Get ready to email this one..." :rofl:) Afterall, some people need a healthy dose of failure to avoid turning that "deferred success" into a "deferred paycheck."
     
  17. Jul 22, 2005 #16
    I wouldn't be so sure. Over here teachers aren't allowed to say anything negative at all about their students. Not to the students, not to the parents and not in the report cards. I have a few friends that are teachers and they spend hours trying to find ways to convey the truth without saying anything at all negative. In some states here I think, or maybe its in some schools, the parents don't even get to see the students' grades, instead they are graded on their effort and attention etc. on a scale with things like "needs encouragement" or "progressing well", instead of being graded on their actual performance academically.
     
  18. Jul 22, 2005 #17
    I really can't believe what they are doing to education. It saddens me.
     
  19. Jul 22, 2005 #18
    This is ridiculous, "deferred success" lol, where do they come up with this stuff?

    My parents are both elementary teachers, and some of the stuff they tell me about workshops they've gone to is staggering. There was a new sistem in our city called WoW "Working on the Work" which states that teachers must make all content rewarding and exciting to students. Students must be able to see the meaning and the reason for everything they are taught. This is done by sprucing up demonstrations, watching more videos, playing more games, basically everything but more reading writing and math. They want to make sure that first and foremost, education is enjoyable and features the instant gratification that kids "need."

    Furthermore, my dad is a math specialist and does a lot of stuff on teaching math. The current system is to teach things like division multiplication etc in multiple different ways i.e. for 68 - 35 you could do it on paper, you could subtract 5 from 8 and then get 63 - 30 and then subtract the 3 from 6 to get 33. or you could add up to 70 then subtract 30 then subtract 5 and subtract the two remaining. Basically all the tricks that we used to come up on our own when we learned arithmatic.

    Now it's not a bad idea to introduce those types of ideas to kids. Especially advanced ones looking for another way to analyze a problem, but to teach kids 10 different ways to do a problem when kids still haven't gotten to the point of just memorizing simple addition and multiplication facts only prevents them from doing the memorization that kids need.

    Lastly on to the most egregious example, the principal at one of the schools my mom works at actually banned the usage of timed math tests. Like the "do 100 addition problems" in 1 minute tests which were the reason that we all actually decided to learn our math facts. The principal banned them because she stated it rewarded kids who could do problems faster instead of just learning to do the problems. When these kids get in the real world, they will learn that doing work fast is sometimes as important as getting it done. The guy who can program 1000 lines of code in an hour will get the job over the guy who can only write 100, ceteris parabis. Besides, how are you going to get through actual math, when you still have to look twice to figure out 9+8.

    It's amazing how much this has all changed in really only the last dozen years or so, as an example when I was in first grade, my teacher actually wrote this, (and I quote) on my report card "Your son will achieve nothing in life if he does not drastically improve my organizational skills" That may be a little bit harsh on the other side, but it definately got the point accross. *Looks around my room* I gotta fix this soon, or I am doomed.

    ~Lyuokdea
     
  20. Jul 22, 2005 #19
    It's called "pandering".

    KM
     
  21. Jul 22, 2005 #20

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    E would not work for french class (In french school E is used instead F). It stand for "Échec" and it is translatate to Failure. :wink:

    So next time my experiment fail, I will tell my supervisor that I got "deferred success".
     
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