Build a laser capable of cuting intricate designs out of thin metal

In summary: This allows the energy to be deposited in very small, controlled amounts, making it possible to cut with very little heat transfer to the surrounding material.Now, as to whether you can do it for hobbyist amounts of money... I don't know. I imagine you can do it for hobbyist amounts of money if you can do it with something like a 5 or 10 Watt CO2 laser in a 'homebrew' system. I'm reasonably sure that you can't do it with a 5 or 10 Watt CO2 laser in a homebrew system.In
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would it be to expensive to build a laser capable of cuting
intricate designs out of thin metal or wood about 0.5mm?
for a hobby project.
 
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Technically that depends on what you mean by expensive, but the answer is probably yes.

I would be surprised if it cost less than $1000.
 
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You might be able to use bundled diode lasers to cut wood, but I don't know about metal.

I have only heard of metal being cut with CO2 lasers. You'd spend a few thousand on the optics, the tube and electronics for that. It is usually thick steel being cut though, so maybe there is something less expensive for cutting thin metal.

The economic advantage of laser cutting comes in when you make enormous numbers of identical, machine controlled cuts. I don't think that comes into play in a hobby.

Njorl
 
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thanks anyway,
i can't aford $1000:frown: but it was worth asking.
 
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There is the $10,000 VersaLaser which can cut intricate designs into "paper, wood, a variety of plastics, leather, some coated metals, and even stone and marble".

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,4149,1360231,00.asp
 
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I always have a question about laser when reading from a common book descrbing how laser works. Most of books said that first you excited some electrons of those atom by some electricity, the elctrons will emit a certain frequency of the photons, the photons will be bounced back and forth within the mirrors and hot other electrons and these electrons will release more photons with the same frequency and the photons will be built up like chain reaction.

This does not make sense. Where does this chain reaction come from? There has to be energy to build up these photons. The way it describes seems to there will be created energy through this resonance of the light. Totally violating the conservation of energy.

Do anyone have answers for that? Did I misread these books?
 
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Actually, what you describe is a 'tricky' or complicated part of a laser.

This is a simplified explanation, but it's AFAIK reasonably close to current theory. Hopefully it clarifies the issue.

Electrons can only be in certain 'orbitals' on atoms and molecules. Whenever an emission occurs, an electron goes from a higher state, to a lower state orbital. (You've probably already seen this part.)

Now, in order to use this as an amplifier, you need to create a situation where most atoms are on the higher state instead of the lower one.

A classical method for doing this is to find an atom that has three states, a ground state, a high state, and a low state, where transitions from the low state to the ground state are relatively infrequent.

Then use an electric field to get the electrons into the high state. The electrons naturaly go to the low state. This can create a metastable situation where the electrons can be triggered.

The electrons can be exited to the higher state by using other energy sources like flash lamps as well.
 
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Google CNC plasma cutters.
 
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Natetg,

Thank you for your reply. Still have question. Which state of the three is the lowest, the ground or the low?

Also, my question is regarding the energy conservation. If I added total energy E into this system by whatever means, I can only created as many photons of E/hf.

How come there seem to be more photons generated than this formula based on these books?
 
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Laser amplification takes energy from the low->ground transition. It's a cycle:
Ground->High->Low->Ground.

Tube lasers are extremely inefficient, I think it's somewhere around 16% for the best ones.

LED lasers are IIRC in the mid to high double digits for efficiency. (But I don't know how they work.)

I've never seen any indication that lasers violate conservation of energy. If you can cite a specific passage I might be able to help you.
 
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NateTeg,

In this Dk ( Dorling Kindersley, Inc ) published EYEWITNESS SCIENCE, LIGHT. There is a section LASER LIGHT. It stated, " When light from one atom strikes its neighbors more light is released, and this all at the same time."

This implys with one photon striking the other atoms, there will be multiple photons generated. This violates Energy conservation.

Is this statement just ballony?

That is a book I bought for my kids. Hopefully intriguing their interests to modern Physics.
 
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Originally posted by Sammywu
This implys with one photon striking the other atoms, there will be multiple photons generated. This violates Energy conservation.
No, it doesn't. First, the lasing medium must be "pumped," by being strobed with a special frequency of light, or by having a current passed through it, or by some other mechanism. The point of "pumping" is to create a population inversion, in which many of the atoms in the medium are in an excited, metastable state.

Then, when one atom releases a photon characteristic of the decay of that excited state, the photon stimulates other atoms to produce coherent photons -- and so on, creating a chain reaction.

The stimulated emission of radiation does not violate energy conservation, because, before it can happen, something must have pumped the lasing medium to create the necessary population inversion. Different lasers use different techniques to achieve this population inversion, but it is a necessary step for all lasers.

- Warren
 
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Originally posted by Sammywu

In this Dk ( Dorling Kindersley, Inc ) published EYEWITNESS SCIENCE, LIGHT. There is a section LASER LIGHT. It stated, " When light from one atom strikes its neighbors more light is released, and this all at the same time."

This implys with one photon striking the other atoms, there will be multiple photons generated. This violates Energy conservation.

Is this statement just ballony?

In order for the second atom to emit two photons it must be exited. (For example in the 'low' state that I described.)
 
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To be redundant, the energy which is deposited in the metal/paper/wood/etc being cut is < the energy in the laser beam. The laser beam's energy, in turn, is < the energy supplied to the laser to make it lase in the first place.

The principal reason for using lasers to cut or burn things isn't energy efficiency (per se); it's things like precision, control, accuracy, ease of use, ...

BTW, did you know that the basic mechanism at work in a laser is the same as in a maser? And that maser clocks are among the most accurate? Also, that there are giant 'water-masers' in the sky (in gas clouds around nascent stars)?
 
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Thank you for all your help. This definitely cleared a question that I had when I found I can't explain to my kids where these energy could possibly come from.

I don't know about maser. What is a maser?
 
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laser = light amplification by stimulated emission of radiation (or similar)
maser = same, 'microwave' -> 'light'

Masers were the first off the drawing board into the lab; then into commercial production. As a term in general use, 'atomic clock' is imprecise; IIRC, in its early usage it meant a 'hydrogen maser', and maybe still does. They are still widely used as clocks, for their combination of transportability and stability, even though they are no longer the best clocks.
 
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Neried, Thanks. Why is there giant water masers in the gases near nascent stars?
 
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Right time; right place. A gas in which a population inversion can be fairly easily created. An energy source which can pump the inversion. AFAIK, no need for 'mirrors', they're one-pass masers.
 

What is a laser and how does it work?

A laser is a device that emits a concentrated beam of light through a process called stimulated emission. This beam of light is coherent, meaning its waves have the same frequency and are aligned in the same direction, making it powerful and precise. The laser beam is created by exciting atoms in a medium, such as a gas or crystal, causing them to emit photons in a specific wavelength. These photons then bounce back and forth between two mirrors, amplifying and aligning the light waves, before being released as a single beam through one of the mirrors.

What is the difference between a CO2 laser and a fiber laser?

A CO2 laser uses a gas mixture of carbon dioxide, nitrogen, and helium to create the laser beam, while a fiber laser uses a solid-state medium, such as a crystal or glass, to generate the beam. CO2 lasers are better suited for cutting thicker materials, while fiber lasers are more efficient at cutting thin materials and can produce higher-quality cuts. CO2 lasers also have a longer wavelength, making them better for cutting non-metal materials, while fiber lasers have a shorter wavelength, making them more effective for cutting metals.

What factors affect the cutting speed and precision of a laser?

The power of the laser, the type and thickness of the material being cut, and the speed at which the laser beam moves across the material all play a role in the cutting speed and precision. Higher laser power and slower beam movement result in faster cutting speeds, but too much power can also cause the material to melt or warp. The type of material being cut also affects the speed and precision, as different materials have different properties and may require different power and speed settings for optimal cutting results.

How do safety measures play a role in using a laser cutter?

Laser cutters can be dangerous if not used properly, as the laser beam is powerful enough to cause serious burns or eye damage. Proper safety measures, such as wearing protective gear and ensuring the work area is well-ventilated, are important to prevent accidents. Additionally, laser cutters should be operated by trained professionals who understand the risks and know how to safely operate the equipment.

What are the advantages and limitations of using a laser to cut intricate designs out of thin metal?

The main advantage of using a laser to cut intricate designs out of thin metal is its precision. The focused laser beam allows for extremely fine and detailed cuts that would be difficult to achieve with other cutting methods. Additionally, laser cutting is a fast and efficient process, with minimal material waste. However, lasers have limitations in terms of the thickness of the material they can cut and the type of material they can cut. They are also expensive to purchase and maintain, making them less accessible for smaller businesses or individuals.

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