# Bullied bus monitor

1. Jun 24, 2012

### rootX

This is just crazy. I get on youtube being bullied or as a crying third world child and I can get millions of dollars?
http://www.indiegogo.com/loveforkarenhklein [Broken]

As for the incident itself, I feel like when parents should have been informed about it personally not through youtube.

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2. Jun 24, 2012

The parents weren't "informed" about it via Youtube; one of the students responsible filmed it and posted it, apparently believing that people generally support this kind of thing. Someone then started taking donations with the hope of raising enough to send her on a nice vacation, apparently because she has to put up with things like this year round. Of course, they've since raised about $500,000; God bless people's desperate need to derive self-worth from their superiority to the lowest common denominator (Read the Youtube comments and take a drink every time someone makes a comment that makes them sound courageous or righteous for opposing the obviously-appalling behaviour of these kids). Last edited by a moderator: May 6, 2017 3. Jun 24, 2012 ### rootX Yes, I know she didn't film the video. But couldn't she go to their parents home and inform what their kids were doing or inform their home teacher or something? If she didn't do anything herself, I think some of the blame should go on herself too. People go bit over-hyper when it comes to these things (see Kony case also). I feel there are better causes to support. There are people who don't even have money to afford one day food let alone going on any kind of vacation. When I was young if any kid would misbehave, first he would be disciplined by teachers and then by parents at home. The culture these kids growing in seems wrong not the kids. It's ridiculous that they can get to youtube before their parents figure out what they are upto. 4. Jun 24, 2012 ### Number Nine What I'm wondering is: Where was the bus driver in all of this? When I took the school bus as a kid, any nonsense like this was met with a swift "Knock it off!" from the bus driver, who reported any misbehaving to the school as soon as she arrived. 5. Jun 24, 2012 ### gravenewworld I'd wholeheartedly support bringing back corporal punishment and the public stock for reasons like this. The kids have since written apology letters, but the only reason they're really sorry is that they got caught. 6. Jun 24, 2012 ### Chi Meson Yeah, this absurdity must stop! These people getting bullied, living lives of pitiful unfairness...  'em, I say. Just listen to this slop from the founder of the fundraiser: What are we to expect from a world full of people like this? [/ironic sarcasm] 7. Jun 24, 2012 ### rootX But you are not saying anything in the defense of the bus monitor/driver who appeared not to report the incident. 8. Jun 24, 2012 ### Chi Meson I don't understand your complaint, that's all. Some people choose to provide her with enough money to go on a "nice vacation." The nice vacation seems to have gotten more response than anyone anticipated. Is it your complaint that she did not do enough to defend herself, and therefore is undeserving of what other people have decided to give to her? 9. Jun 24, 2012 ### Number Nine I don't think the problem is that people have donated money to her; that's wonderful. The problem is that people seem to regard the donations as a grand and heartwarming display of righteousness, when there are millions of others in desperate need of money who aren't receiving donations. This story, I think, resonates with people because it allows them to look at these kids and think "I'm not as bad as them (therefore I'm good)"; the first part is true (and utterly trivial), but the last part doesn't follow, and it's what I find irritating about most of the coverage and most of the comments on Youtube. 10. Jun 24, 2012 ### rootX Problem is how many people even gave a second thought before giving away their money? How many times they have wasted money on the most undeserving causes ever: Kony, girl faking cancer, supporting miners trapped, Afghanistan three cups guy? If they want to feel happy by giving away their money, they should think a bit rather than following brainwashing over-hyped media stories. Knowing complete details, it might be that people are supporting the bus monitor for her incompetence to keep the bullying in check. She might have encouraged bulling of her and other children than stopping it. Now, she also put the children lives who bullied her in danger. Lots of dumb supporters are sending the kids death threats! (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-18540629) 11. Jun 24, 2012 ### wuliheron Sometimes a show of public support is simply a great way to get a message across. This woman is news and so is the fact people have sent her half a million dollars. Judges routinely do the same kind of thing making examples out of specific cases to get the message out there that this is not OK and society does not support it. 12. Jun 24, 2012 ### Antiphon This is cut and dried. The video speaks for itself. The other cases you mentioned involved a fraud. [The following is an opionion, not a fact. I am NOT attemping to pass off my opinion as fact, since that might earn an infraction.] While you are likely not a hearless and/or envious fool, your post makes you seem like one by asserting that SHE put the children's lives in danger. Quit while you're ahead. 13. Jun 24, 2012 ### DaveC426913 No, she did not put the children's lives in danger. She is not responsible either for the display of behavior, or for its public posting, or for the reaction of the world. 14. Jun 24, 2012 ### rootX You are taking it out of context. It's not her but "her incompetence to keep the bullying in check" what endangered those kids. If you read the entire thread, I questioned why she didn't report it to parents/school and how kids managed to post this on youtube. If you read about duties of a bus monitor here's what you will see: http://dot-job-descriptions.careerplanner.com/SCHOOL-BUS-MONITOR.cfm I expect from a bus monitor to report anything negative happens on the bus to the proper authorities. She is not the one I would expect to stay quiet. Last edited: Jun 24, 2012 15. Jun 24, 2012 ### DaveC426913 I got all that. It's still not true. She did not endanger those kids. What endangered them was someone posting their actions on YouTube. Though I grant that, as bus monitor, she has a responsibility to keep the kids in check. 16. Jun 24, 2012 ### Saitama Agreed here but she looks aged. Maybe she thought that she should leave the children on their own. Even if she complained, the children would have got the punishment and the next time they would try to tease her more, she might have thought that let the children do whatever they want as they will stop after a while when she stops responding. But she couldn't bear the harassment and burst into tears. Its just my opinion. She should have once tried complaining though. Its such a pity to see that children don't even have respect for the elders. 17. Jun 24, 2012 ### Evo ### Staff: Mentor But if she reported that the kids were making fun of her, would that have been listened to? I doubt it. That has nothing to do with the kids safety. All though I question the bus driver for not telling the obnoxious brats to shut up, perhaps they are afraid to tell them to shut up because of psycho parents "how dare you tell my child to shut up!!". We don't know how many restrictions were placed on the driver and monitor. It could be that they're not allowed to react to personal insults. The parents are to blame for their kid's actions. A properly raised child would not do this. The acorn doesn't fall far from the tree. I think all school buses should have audio/video recorders and they should be viewed at least monthly and the parents and kids hauled into the school auditorium and shamed before the entire school district. But that's just me. And it's not just for bullying the bus employees, but bullying of any student. Last edited: Jun 24, 2012 18. Jun 24, 2012 ### OmCheeto$642,181/$22 = 29,190 people donated. 155,007,000 civilian employees(ref) 155,007,000/29,190 ==> 1 out of 5310 people in America think their job sucks as much as hers, and can totally relate. Or perhaps, 1 out of 22 middle school teachers.(641,700) I think middle school teachers should be paid$750,000 a year.

Now if it were obese people donating at the middle school teacher rate, she'd have $78 million in her coffer.* Did anyone else watch the whole video? It stuck me as typical middle school behavior. *No. That was not a math error. 1:22 is the ratio of middle school teachers to donations,$22 was the average donation, and there are 78 million fat adults in America. It was simply a coincidence.

19. Jun 25, 2012

### Curious3141

The irony, of course, is that the wantonly racist nature of a lot of those comments speaks of even worse personalities amongst the commenters than the bullying kids in that video.

20. Jun 25, 2012

### Borg

I've seen parts of the video and that was my first reaction as well. Bullies are typically cowards acting out in front of a crowd. They won't harass someone who can defend themselves.

21. Jun 25, 2012

### 256bits

Besides the job description is there any say of how monitors should assess a situation that has a potential of getting out of control, or any mention of pre-job training, like they would have for police or security agents in crowd control. I do not think that any average person would have a clue on how to calm down a bunch of unruly kids such as this. It is noticable that the kid with the camera thought what was going on to the woman was fun and hilarious by being focused only on the bus monitor and not the rest of the kids. That is typical group behavior and it is difficult for an individual to take back control when it has reached that level to an extent that it feeds upon itself. Tagging her with incompetance is going a bit too far I think.

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22. Jun 25, 2012

### DaveC426913

Much as I sympathize with her situation, the more officious side of me notes that it was her job to supervise these kids, and if she couldn't do it, then something's awry.

I imagine the description of the Bus Monitor job has instructions on what to do if the situation on the bus gets out of hand. Certainly at the very least, she should have colluded with the bus driver. Probably stop the bus on the roadside and keep the kids inside until more authority can arrive.

23. Jun 25, 2012

### tahayassen

She wasn't doing her job. That's for sure. If a student was being bullied, then she probably wouldn't do anything to help him/her, even though that's her career.

It's either the school's fault for not giving her proper training. Or it's the school's fault for hiring incapable employees. Like Evo said, the school should put audio/video recorders on the school bus.

24. Jun 25, 2012

### 256bits

Dave
taha
But how would you react if swarmed by a group?
The lady was overwhelmed, by what some would consider criminal behavior, and thankfully she did not show anger that could have unleased other forms of obnoxious behavior from the students, including physical ( one was already touching her )

Probably wouldn't doesn't carry over in your statement. Probably would could also be used with equal tenacity.

Schools are subject to budgets and just saying that they should do this or that is easy. There is two choices to pay for extras - increase the tax rate or take money from some other area - which do you prefer?

This explains more of what the lady was experiencing.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/crime/youthcrime.html [Broken]

Absolutely. Being nice does not always have a favourable outcome.

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25. Jun 25, 2012

### Number Nine

Employees usually have strict limits on the actions they can take in situations like this; I really can't imagine that she had the authority to do anything beyond telling the students off and reporting their actions to the school upon arrival. By the sounds of it, she certainly wasn't receiving any support from the bus driver (he did nothing during the video). It's an unfortunate truth that many schools have chronic bullying problems and no policies in place that allow anyone to actually do anything about them.