Power Expenditure for Treading Water with Average Body Density

In summary: So we just need to figure out how much water is there and how far away it is from the object. I think it would be easiest just to use the density of water and the area of the object to find out how much mass is in a cm3. Then we would just multiply that by the velocity of the water to find out how fast it is moving in cm/s.
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Homework Statement


With the nose above the water, about 95% of the body is submerged. Calculate the power expended by a 50-kg woman treading water in this position. Assume that the average density of the human body is about the same as water (p = pw = 1 g/cm3 ) and that the area A of the limbs acting on the water is about 600 cm2.


Homework Equations

Bear with me...
FB = gVpw <-- force up, due to buoyancy
Fg = gVp <-- force down due to gravity
FD = Fg - FB = gV(p - pw ) <-- net downward force (assuming the object is more dense than water)

Mass of water accelerated per unit time (m) = Avpw
Momentum given to the water per second = mv
^^ these two equations make absolutely no sense to me, but when they are put together:
FR = pwAv2 <-- force produced that should be equal to FD to counter the downward force so you can float, and since the units (density x area x velocity2) turn out to be essentially mass x acceleration (ie a force), $#!t makes sense...

FD = FR = gV(p - pw ) = pwAv2

Rearranged... v = *sqrt* of: gV(p - pw) / Apw

KE/sec = Power generated by limbs, P = 1/2 mv2

Substituting eq'ns for m & v...

P = 1/2 *sqrt* of: [W (1 - pw/p)]3 / Apw

Here W is the weight of the object (W = gVp).


The Attempt at a Solution


First, the question says to assume that density of the body is the same as water... so why is it necessary to do work to remain afloat? In the last equation, if you divide the density of the body and water, it equals 1, and 1-1 = 0, therefore P = zero... :uhh:
 
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A force must be exerted on the body to keep 5% of it out of the water.
To make the water push up on the body, the hands must push down on the water with the same force. It is rather like a rocket hovering. We know the thrust (force) but want the power = F*v. Do we estimate the average speed of the hand? Why does the area of the hands matter? It seems to me we need another property of water that indicates how fast we must push on the water with that hand area to get the force we want. Something to do with viscosity or just the mass of the water that the hands move?
 
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Power = F*v? I think it's better to go with:

P = 1/2 *sqrt* of: [W (1 - pw/p)]3 / Apw

We have weight, density of water & body, area of limbs, so technically we should be able to solve for P... but as I said the density of water & the woman's body (as mentioned in the question) are the same... I must be misunderstanding something...

Nothing in my textbook mentions viscosity, so it could be the mass of the water that the hands move that matters...

Btw, the answer is P = 7.8 W.
 
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I have no idea what your equation is saying - looks like weight divided by force, which would give units of mass, not power.

Interesting to work backwards from the answer . . .
The force needed to keep 5% of the body out of the water is .05mg = 24.5 N.
P = Fv, v = P/F = 7.8/24.5 = 0.318 m/s.
That would be some kind of average because about half of the time the hands are not pushing but are retracting for the next push, so during the push perhaps a speed of 0.6 m/s. Quite reasonable, but how do we figure out how fast you have to push to get an average force of 24.5 N? Could it be just the F = ma required to accelerate the water up to speed? How much water? It would be 600 cm² at the hand and how far away from the hand? It still seems to me that the viscosity determines how hard you have to push at any given speed. The person would have to flap at super speed to remain afloat in air.
 
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Thanks very much for the link, Sodr! A peek into a fascinating textbook.
I simplified what it says to this case where the density of the animal and water is the same. So eqn 7.10 just says F = .05mg = 24.5 N as we had already figured.
Equation 7.11 says the mass of water moved per second is M = ρAv, which makes sense if you think of the velocity as d/t so your cross sectional area A times d is the volume and multiplying by ρ gives the mass still divided by the time. The assumption is that if your hand moves 10 cm, it makes 10 cm of water move at the speed of the hand. Wish I'd thought of that!
The next equation just says that Mv is the change in momentum (remember M is the mass per second) so F = Mv = ρAv². We know everything in that except the v, so we can find the velocity of the hand necessary to produce the 24.5 N force.

Finally, it says the power needed to move the water is ½Mv², which seems very odd until you remember that M is the mass per second, so this is the kinetic energy per second - the right units anyway! It does bother me a bit but I can't pin down why. If you slap the M and v formulas in, it works out to
Power = ½Fv. Ah, that's what's bothering me - that ½ doesn't seem right! But you can now easily work out your answer.
 
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I like what I'm hearing... I'll tackle this question shortly.
 
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I need help with the units...

We have 24.5 N... so should we convert 600cm^2 and 1g/cm^3 into meters? How do I do this?

600cm^2 * 1g/cm^3 = 600 g/cm
600g/cm * 100cm/m * 1kg/100g = 60 kg/m

Nevermind.
 
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Thanks!
 

1. What is the Buoyancy water tread problem?

The Buoyancy water tread problem is a physics problem that involves determining the amount of weight a person can support while floating in water. It is based on the principle of buoyancy, which states that an object will float if it displaces an amount of water equal to its weight.

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