# Burning Water

## Main Question or Discussion Point

I remember a paper where some mineral was added to water that was irradiated with some RF and as a result hydrogen was produced and could be set on fire.

What is the physics behind this?

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russ_watters
Mentor
Water is hydrogen and oxygen, so if you add enough energy (the usual way is by electrolysis), you can split the hydrogen and oxygen, then burn them.

The catch, of course, is that the amount of energy generated by burning the hydrogen and oxygen is precisely equal to the amount of energy used up to separate them.

This specific method has been discussed several times, and unfortunately is currently the subject of crackpot speculation. Make no mistake: you can't get more energy from this process than you put into it.

LURCH
I believe I recall the same article. It appeared to be a revamp of the old "crackpot speculation" to which Russ referred. What made it "news" at the time was that this researcher claimed it was the salt in the water that he was burning, and that this constituted eight "fuel" of sorts. This is separated his claim from the perpetual motion-type designs of his predecessors.

However, since I never heard anything more about it, I assumed that it was the same kind of nonsense as other "water burning" claims.

rcgldr
Homework Helper
Instead of a mineral, just add Sodium or Potassium, no RF needed.

How can RF make water (hydrogen oxygen) ignite? And what is the energy efficiency of this process. Is there any published information regarding the Kanzius experiments?

Danger
Gold Member
Instead of a mineral, just add Sodium or Potassium, no RF needed.
Yup... nothing unclogs a sewer line better than flushing half a kilo of sodium wrapped up in paper.

Folks, the law of thermodynamics applies in ALL energy production.
I propose adding a cavity resonator containing a small microwave transmitter (say, a cordless or cell phone oscillator) and tuned crystal array) to en engine throttle body fuel injector. As the injector sprays mists of of saline, the cavity resonator will break down the valance bonds and the hydrogen will ignite. I bet the entire package could be mass produced for less than $100. Astronuc Staff Emeritus Science Advisor Folks, the law of thermodynamics applies in ALL energy production. I propose adding a cavity resonator containing a small microwave transmitter (say, a cordless or cell phone oscillator) and tuned crystal array) to en engine throttle body fuel injector. As the injector sprays mists of of saline, the cavity resonator will break down the valance bonds and the hydrogen will ignite. I bet the entire package could be mass produced for less than$100.
Or the hydrogen simply recombines with the oxygen, so there is no benefit, and one still has to put more energy in than one gets out.

I did a long post on this that includes links to patents. and a lot discussion. one of the things that came out in the discussion is that the the Nuclear Magnetic Resonance for Oxygen is 13.556.-- which is the frequency that Kanzius used.