Bush's outside interests

1. May 17, 2003

jb

i read in the paper today that bush is worth something like 10 million dollars. and this is made up mostly of stocks and other investments. how can we trust him to do what's right for the country, and not what helps out his investments?

2. May 17, 2003

Zero

Well, how can you trust ANY politician?!? All of them are wealthy, many of them likely MUCH better off than Bush. Remember, before he was in politics, he was a failed oil man.

3. May 17, 2003

jb

that was more of a rhetorical question.

what companies is he invested in?

i think in addition to the campaign finance reform stuff, politicians should be required to dump their commercial assets. but that would affect congress, and congress is needed to put it into effect.

4. May 17, 2003

Zero

Well, it would certainly affect the type of person running for office, wouldn't it?

5. May 17, 2003

Ganshauk

BWAHAHAHAHA

10 mil?

OMG. That is peanuts!

By god, what an underdog. I didn't know he was worth so little. Compared to the rest of the pack, that is nothing.It can't be true. I would guesstimate 20 to 30 mil at the least.

6. May 17, 2003

Zero

Depends on who does his accounting, right? He may have that much that he pays taxes on, and another 10-20 mil that he has sheltered from taxes, for instance.

7. May 17, 2003

Ganshauk

Well, you show me how to actually shelter 10-20 mil and I will give you 5 of it.

8. May 17, 2003

Zero

Oh, it's easy...you call it 'dividends', and then remove the tax on dividends. Haven't you been paying attention?!? Or, you incorporate overseas, you give a pile to your wife, you set up a few dozen Enron-style dummy corporations, etc.

9. May 17, 2003

damgo

10 million does seem way too low... but I don't think this is a problem. He has plenty of cash, and most people don't go into politics if their goal is just to make a lot of cash. Political prestige and respect is likely more important than any marginal gain in his wealth. And the President can't easily just give himself tons of money...

A more likely problem is the interests of his friends/advisors/administration. They have incentive not to mess with things (like say energy reform) that would be good for the country but bad for the people they know... and are much more likely to hear and be convinced by fallacious arguments from their colleagues.

10. May 17, 2003

jb

i think that might just be how much he made so far this year.

at the end of last year, the amount was quite a bit more.

11. May 17, 2003

kat

12. May 18, 2003

$10 million isn't that much for a politician - in fact any upper middle class/middle aged family should have a few mills in a retirement fund. And I think what's best for his portfolio is a good economy. So yeah, I think we can trust him to do what he thinks is best for the economy. The question then really is - does he know what he's doing? No, thats just plain absurd. Do you have any idea how many people own stocks? I'm 27, I have a negative net worth, and even I own stocks. To run for office, I have to sell them? Get real. It would be a PUNISHMENT for becoming a politician. If you want to be a politician you have to destroy your financial situation? No. Yeah, thats far lower than I would have expected too. 13. May 19, 2003 schwarzchildradius With this particular guy Bush it is a cultural as well as spiritual obligation to others of his ilk. Guys that have exploited the revolution of deregulation during the '80's and trade pacts in the '90's. It's american as apple pie for these guys to do that, but what is wrong, is the letting them strip the government of all its regulatory (and social!) powers. 14. May 19, 2003 Zero Re: Re: bush's outside interests You think wrong...the folks with the biggest portfolios made plenty of money during this downswing. When people are willing to lie, cheat and steal, like Bush's friend Kenneth Lay, they can make money no matter what the conditions of the stock market. 15. May 19, 2003 russ_watters Staff: Mentor Re: Re: Re: bush's outside interests So are you saying that Bush has comitted fraud or insider trading? We aren't talking about Kenneth Lay's portfolio, the question was about BUSH's portfolio. Try harder. [insert obvious personal comment about Zero here] Last edited: May 19, 2003 16. May 19, 2003 schwarzchildradius He has done some questionable stuff, it is fact. 17. May 20, 2003 Zero Re: Re: Re: Re: bush's outside interests Name a SUCESSFUL Bush business...because El Busto and Harken went under while Bush made millions. Nothing shady about that is there? 18. May 20, 2003 russ_watters Staff: Mentor Certainly. All it takes for something to be questionable is for someone to question it. And you just did. And that of course means - ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. But hey, at least your arguement isn't logically flawed. You get a cookie. Sure. Since there aren't any facts to back up the opinion you want, we of course can only ASSUME it. Jeez. I need a new word to describe the dearth of logic here. Absurd and preposterous aren't cutting it anymore. How about ASININE. But let me see if I can sum up the line of reasoning: Fact: Bush's financial report says he's worth$10 mil. (always good to at least start with a fact).
Fact: Bush "looks" rich. (ehh, I guess...)

Logical conclusion: Bush is richer than he says he is. Hell, I'll even give you that one. But here's where it gets messy:

Immutable law of the liberal universe: All rich people become rich through various financial crimes and crimes against humanity.

So it follows logically that since all rich people are criminals, Bush is a criminal. Hmm.

It still boggles my mind how there can be such a complete and utter lack of logic on a scientific forum. On this forum, baseless insinuations are facts and opinions are immutable laws of the universe. I can't believe you guys don't even see it. I don't understand how in a forum supposed to be logical people are so blinded by their own biases.

One thing I do know, however - a thread on logic in politics would be utterly pointless in here.

19. May 20, 2003

Zero

Nice try, russ. But, unfortunately for you, simply attacking when coprnered isn't going to help you. There are things called facts. There are entire BOOKS that outline Bush's first carreer as a drunken oil failure. How did he make al his money, when his businesses all went under?!?

20. May 20, 2003