Cal 3 Surfaces: Finding Derivatives at (1,1,1)

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In summary, given the surface x^8y^7+y^3z^6+z^8x63+6xyz=9 with equation z=f(x,y) and differentiable function f(x,y), we can use the formulas f_x=-F_x/F_z and f_y=-F_y/F_z to find the partial derivatives at the point (1,1,1). These formulas are derived by taking partial derivatives of the implicit function F(x,y,z)=0.
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Given that the surface x^8y^7+y^3z^6+z^8x63+6xyz=9 has the equation z=f(x,y) in a neighbourhod of the point (1,1,1) with f(x,y) differentiable, find the derivatives

fx(1,1)=

fy(1,1)=

Attempt: I tried plugging (1,1,1) in fx but it wasnt rigth. We haven't seen this in class and I don't know what to do.

Thanks
 
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If a funtion z = f(x,y) is defined implicitly by F(x,y,z)= 0 as in your problem, you can use the formulas:

[tex]f_x = -\frac {F_x}{F_z}\hbox{ and }f_y=-\frac{F_y}{F_z}[/tex]
 
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Hi lisa92! :smile:

I'd like to show you how to derive the formulas of LCKurtz.

With F(x,y,z)=0 you have:

[itex]d(F(x,y,z))=F_x(x,y,z)dx + F_y(x,y,z)dy + F_z(x,y,z)dz=0[/itex]


From this you can find:

[itex]dz={-F_x(x,y,z)dx - F_y(x,y,z)dy \over F_z(x,y,z)}[/itex]


Taking partial derivatives (for which the other coordinate is considered constant):

[itex]{\partial z \over \partial x}={-F_x(x,y,z) \over F_z(x,y,z)}[/itex]

[itex]{\partial z \over \partial y}={-F_y(x,y,z) \over F_z(x,y,z)}[/itex]


This can also be written as the formulas LCKurtz gave:

[itex]f_x={-F_x \over F_z}[/itex]

[itex]f_y={-F_y \over F_z}[/itex]
 

1. What is the definition of a Cal 3 surface?

A Cal 3 surface, also known as a three-dimensional surface, is a mathematical representation of a three-dimensional object or space that can be described using three coordinates.

2. How do you find derivatives at a specific point on a Cal 3 surface?

To find derivatives at a specific point (x,y,z) on a Cal 3 surface, you must first determine the partial derivatives with respect to each coordinate (x,y,z). Then, use the partial derivatives to calculate the gradient vector, which represents the direction and magnitude of the surface's steepest slope at that point.

3. What is the significance of finding derivatives on a Cal 3 surface?

Finding derivatives on a Cal 3 surface is important in various fields, such as physics, engineering, and computer graphics. It allows us to understand the behavior and characteristics of a three-dimensional object or space, and can help in optimizing and predicting its behavior.

4. What are some common applications of Cal 3 surfaces and their derivatives?

Some common applications of Cal 3 surfaces and their derivatives include determining the curvature of a three-dimensional object, analyzing the flow of fluids or heat in a three-dimensional space, and creating three-dimensional computer graphics.

5. What techniques can be used to find derivatives on a Cal 3 surface?

There are several techniques that can be used to find derivatives on a Cal 3 surface, including the chain rule, implicit differentiation, and the gradient vector method. These techniques involve manipulating and differentiating equations or functions that describe the surface in order to calculate the derivatives at a specific point.

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