# Calculate rise time value for a sinusoidal signal at an arbitrary frequency (f_0)

1. Sep 27, 2006

### VinnyCee

Algebraically calculate the Rise Time value for the sinusoidal signal at an arbitrary frequency $f_0$ (expressed in Hz). Assume that the signal has zero average, that is

$$V_{min}\,=\,-V_{max}$$

Express the Rise Time in units of the period $T\,=\,\frac{1}{f_0}$.

MY WORK SO FAR:

$$\left(V_{min}\,+\,0.9\,V_{ppk}\right)\,-\,\left(V_{min}\,+\,0.1\,V_{ppk}\right)$$

$$V_{ppk}\,=\,V_{max}\,-\,V_{min}$$

$$RISE\,=\,0.8\,V_{max}\,-\,0.8\,V_{min}$$

$$RUN\,=\,T$$

SLOPE equals RISE over RUN, but I don't know how to relate the two things to get an equation for the answer.

The problem goes on to ask us to calculate the Rise Time value in msec for the sinusoidal signal at 500Hz. But I need the equation in order to solve it. Please help!

2. Sep 27, 2006

### Astronuc

Staff Emeritus
So given a simple sin wave $sin\omega t$, one wants to find the time that it takes the signal to go from t1 = 0.1 to t2 = 0.9 if the signal goes from 0 - 1, or t1 = -0.8 to t2 = 0.8 if the signal goes from -1 to 1.

Now how to find t?

If one knows the value of the function, e.g. 0.1, then

$sin\omega t\,=\,0.1$, or

$\omega t\,=\,sin^{-1}(0.1)$, or

$$t\,=\,\frac{sin^{-1}(0.1)}{\omega}$$

One then needs to know the relationship between $f$ and $\omega$ .

3. Sep 28, 2006

### VinnyCee

Angular frequency, $\omega$, is equal to $2\,\pi$ times the frequency $f$(in Hertz).

So the Rise Time for a -1 to 1 sinusoidal signal is $$T\,=\,\frac{sin^{-1}(-0.8)}{2\,\pi\,f_0}$$? What about the positive one? Should I be subtracting it from the one just stated?

Last edited: Sep 28, 2006
4. Sep 28, 2006

### Staff: Mentor

Sorry if I missed it, but the term rise time must be qualified with what fraction of the total waveform amplitude the rise time is measured over.

For example, it is common with trapezoidal logic signals to refer to the "10 to 90 rise time", which means that you measure the time it takes during the rising transition for the signal to go from 10% of the final value to 90% of the final value.

Was something like this mentioned in the original problem statement?

5. Sep 28, 2006

### VinnyCee

Yes, its exactly what is stated earlier in the lab manual. The problem itself does not specify this though, it is implied.

Does the T equation that I have above look right for the 10 to 90 rise time in terms of $f_0$?

6. Sep 28, 2006

### Staff: Mentor

I'm not sure I understand your approach, but just calculate what fraction of a period it takes for the sine wave to go from zero to 0.8 in amplitude. You'll get something a little less than a radian, I believe. Then multiply by 2 to get the total 10-90 rise time of the sine wave (from -0.8 to + 0.8). Since the answer is in terms of radians at the frequency of any sine wave, that shows that the frequency does not matter.

7. Oct 6, 2006

### VinnyCee

So the T above is the correct answer?

8. Oct 6, 2006

### VinnyCee

Algebraically calculate the Rise Time value for the sinusoidal signal at an arbitrary frequency $f_0$ (expressed in Hz). Assume that the signal has zero average, that is

$$V_{min}\,=\,-V_{max}$$

Express the Rise Time in units of the period $T\,=\,\frac{1}{f_0}$.

Using your algebraic results, calculate the Rise Time in $\mu s$ for the sinusoidal signal at 50 kHz.