What is the Optimal Traction Power for Unrolling Toilet Paper?

In summary, the conversation discusses the best way to hang a roll of toilet paper and the force required to pull it for two different hanging options. The simplified model considers the roll as a full cylinder attached to a rod on the wall, with the maximum coefficient of static friction denoted as μ. It is determined that the horizontal component of the force along the rod is equal to F*r, where F is the force acting at an angle θ above the horizontal. To calculate the force required to pull the paper, moments should be taken at the point where the rod connects to the wall, with the CW moment due to the mass and the CCW moment due to Fn. The force can then be expressed in terms of the mass of the roll and
  • #71
2013 said:
It is easier to pull when the paper hang near to the wall.

because by the first equation:
Fz+Fg=Fr+T*cos(θ)
Yes.
we can cut out Fr and Fz:
Fg=T*cos(θ)
True, but it's the two values of Fz that you need to compare.
Is this the solution for my task?
I asked myself where ever the difference is between the two processes and it is just the point of action, is different.
I must not calculate the force acting when the paper is not on the wall, on the wall by the pulling force?
In the OP you wrote
Determine the force with which you have to pull the two Aufhängearten
which suggests you are actually supposed to determine the two values of Fz (as functions of the given variables). But since this is a translation it's hard for me to be sure.
 
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  • #72
Yes, you've understood the task.

haruspex said:
True, but it's the two values of Fz that you need to compare.

How can I compare the two different equations?
I'm finished or have I to do something?
 
  • #73
2013 said:
How can I compare the two different equations?
You have
(1) Fn = T*sin(θ)
(2) Fr = Fn*μ
(3) Fz = Fr
(4) sin(θ) = R/L
When hanging paper next to wall:
(5A) Fz+Fg = Fr+T*cos(θ)
When hanging paper away from wall:
(5B) Fz+Fg+Fr = T*cos(θ)
The given data are Fg, L and R, so for each case you want an equation involving only those and Fz. Try using (1)-(4) and (5A) to get such an equation.
 
  • #74
thank you so much for your help!
 

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