Calculate Magnet Strength for Lifting 75 kg Iron in 1 Second - Morten

In summary, the conversation is about calculating the strength of a magnet needed to lift a mass of 75 kg iron 1 meter straight up in 1 second. It is explained that the calculation depends on the shape of the iron and the magnet, and that the width of the airgap and their positioning also play a role. The conversation includes discussions on magnetic energy density, force, and the necessary ampere-windings needed for the magnet.
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Ankhen
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Hi. Can somebody make a calculation for me?
how strong do a magnet need to be to lift a mass of 75 kg iron 1 meter straigth up in 1 second.
Best Regards morten
 
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Ankhen said:
how strong do a magnet need to be to lift a mass of 75 kg iron 1 meter straigth up in 1 second.
It cannot be calculated just like that, because it depends on the shape of the iron and the magnet ( actually the shape of the airgap ).

So correct answers could be 1T or 100T, depending on the shapes.
 
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Hesch said:
It cannot be calculated just like that, because it depends on the shape of the iron and the magnet ( actually the shape of the airgap ).

So correct answers could be 1T or 100T, depending on the shapes.
Hi Hesch and thanks
Can you explaine it a little more, perhapse with some calculations so I can understand it?
 
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Ankhen said:
Can you explaine it a little more
The attraction is not due to some "magnetic poles" inside the magnet, but due to magnetic energy density in the airgap between magnet and iron, which is:

Edens = ½*B*H [ J/m3 ].

Thus the energy: E = Edens*(volume of airgap) = Edens*(cross section area)*(width) of airgap = Edens*A*s.

The force: F = dE/ds = Edens*A.

Is the width of the airgap 1m in the starting position, or are magnet/iron closed up all the way ?
 
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Hesch said:
The attraction is not due to some "magnetic poles" inside the magnet, but due to magnetic energy density in the airgap between magnet and iron, which is:

Edens = ½*B*H [ J/m3 ].

Thus the energy: E = Edens*(volume of airgap) = Edens*(cross section area)*(width) of airgap = Edens*A*s.

The force: F = dE/ds = Edens*A.

Is the width of the airgap 1m in the starting position, or are magnet/iron closed up all the way ?

Can you calculate it with both airgap 1m and with the magnet/iron closed up.
It would really be a big help.
Do you have a email or facebook I can contact you? It seems like you know you way around this stuff,and I have some psysics-questions i prefer not to ask in a open forum
 
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Ankhen said:
Can you calculate it with both airgap 1m and with the magnet/iron closed up.
Say that the total area, A = 0.1m2, then

Fdens = m*g / A = 7370 N/m2

Edens = ½*B*H = 7370 [ J/m3 ] →

B*H = B2 / μ0 = 14730 [ J/m3 ] → B = 0.136 T.

Now, if s = 1m, try to calculate the H-field needed ( B = μ0 * H ). Then calculate the amount of ampere-windings needed using Amperes law:

circulationH⋅ds = N * I.

You should use a -shaped magnet.
 
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Hesch said:
Then calculate the amount of ampere-windings needed
PS: You will need about 216000 ampere-windings by a distance = 1m ( × 2 airgaps ).
 

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