Calculation of average damage using analytical methods

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I have a task, the conditions of which you can read below. I understand how to solve it by approximating the value, but I would like to know how I can derive an equation (and is it even possible?), which can calculate the exact value.
Hello! A friend shared a problem he recently solved. It goes as follows:
Given:
Each dagger strike deals either normal damage = 20 or critical damage = 80.
After each strike, the probability of dealing normal and critical damage changes (initial probabilities are 90% and 10% respectively). The probability changes according to the following two conditions:
1. If the previous strike dealt normal damage, the probability of dealing normal damage decreases by 3%, and the probability of dealing critical damage increases by 3%.
2. If the previous strike dealt critical damage, the probability of dealing normal damage becomes 90%, and the probability of dealing critical damage becomes 10%.
Find:
The average damage for n strikes.


How to solve this problem through approximation is obvious to me. Here's the Python code:
The answer is approximately 31.5.

However, I am interested in the possibility of solving this problem analytically. That is, to write some equation that can be calculated for n values and get not an approximation, but an exact answer. Is this possible? I am weak in mathematical statistics and cannot imagine how to do this. You can simply point out some vectors of study that I need to explore to derive the equation myself, but I would be more grateful if you could derive this equation.
 
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I can't derive an analytic expression. It is possible to write a recursive equation to compute the probability of critical damage after n rounds.
The process is a markov chain with 31 states.
State 0 is the starting state with critical hit probability 0.1. State 30 is the state with critical probability 1.
From state m you''ll go back to state 0 after a critical hit, and to state m+1 otherwise.
let prob(m,n) be the probability to be in state m after n rounds.
let crit(m) = 0.1 + 0.03m.
After 0 rounds, you'll be in the starting state so:
prob(0,0) = 1, and prob(m,0) = 0 if m <> 0;

prob(0,n) will be the sum of prob (m,n-1) * crit(m) (for all states m)
(you'll be in the starting state, if you got a critical hit in the round before)

prob(m,n) if m<>0 will be prob(m-1,n) * (1 - crit (m-1))
you'll be in state m, if you were in state m-1 on the round before and you dit not get a critical hit.

You can than sum prob(m, n) * crit(m) over all rounds to get the average damage.
Python:
from functools import cache

def crit(i):
    return 0.1 + 0.03 * i

@cache
def prob(m,n):

        if n == 0:
            if m == 0:
                return 1
            return 0

        if m == 0:
            probsum = 0
            for i in range (0,31):
                probsum += prob(i, n-1) * crit(i)
            return probsum

        return prob(m-1,n-1) * ( 1 - crit(m-1) )

crit_dam = 80
norm_dam = 20
rounds = 10

total_damage = 0
for n in range(0, rounds):
    for m in range(0,31):
        total_damage += prob(m, n)  * (crit(m) * crit_dam   +  (1-crit(m)) * norm_dam)

print (total_damage /rounds)


Your python program computes the average damage after 10000 stabs, and not after 10 stabs.
average damage after 1 stab is 26, after 10 30.103... and it seems to converge to about 31.471 if the rounds go to infinity.

This recursive program is horribly inefficient without using the @cache decorator from functools, and you'll probably never get an answer for n=20. If you want to implement it an another language you may have to make a 2 dimensional table for prob(m,n) yourself.
 
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I can't derive an analytic expression. It is possible to write a recursive equation to compute the probability of critical damage after n rounds.
The process is a markov chain with 31 states.
State 0 is the starting state with critical hit probability 0.1. State 30 is the state with critical probability 1.
From state m you''ll go back to state 0 after a critical hit, and to state m+1 otherwise.
let prob(m,n) be the probability to be in state m after n rounds.
let crit(m) = 0.1 + 0.03m.
After 0 rounds, you'll be in the starting state so:
prob(0,0) = 1, and prob(m,0) = 0 if m <> 0;

prob(0,n) will be the sum of prob (m,n-1) * crit(m) (for all states m)
(you'll be in the starting state, if you got a critical hit in the round before)

prob(m,n) if m<>0 will be prob(m-1,n) * (1 - crit (m-1))
you'll be in state m, if you were in state m-1 on the round before and you dit not get a critical hit.

You can than sum prob(m, n) * crit(m) over all rounds to get the average damage.
Python:
from functools import cache

def crit(i):
    return 0.1 + 0.03 * i

@cache
def prob(m,n):

        if n == 0:
            if m == 0:
                return 1
            return 0

        if m == 0:
            probsum = 0
            for i in range (0,31):
                probsum += prob(i, n-1) * crit(i)
            return probsum

        return prob(m-1,n-1) * ( 1 - crit(m-1) )

crit_dam = 80
norm_dam = 20
rounds = 10

total_damage = 0
for n in range(0, rounds):
    for m in range(0,31):
        total_damage += prob(m, n)  * (crit(m) * crit_dam   +  (1-crit(m)) * norm_dam)

print (total_damage /rounds)


Your python program computes the average damage after 10000 stabs, and not after 10 stabs.
average damage after 1 stab is 26, after 10 30.103... and it seems to converge to about 31.471 if the rounds go to infinity.

This recursive program is horribly inefficient without using the @cache decorator from functools, and you'll probably never get an answer for n=20. If you want to implement it an another language you may have to make a 2 dimensional table for prob(m,n) yourself.
Thank you very much for your answer. I think it more than satisfies my interest!
 

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