# News Californians soundly reject Governors reforms (power grab)

1. Nov 9, 2005

### Skyhunter

If this is any indication of the nations current sentiments it is good news for 2006. Schwarzenegger, following in the footsteps of Bushco, has failed in his attempt to concentrate power into the executive branch of the State government.

7. Nov 9, 2005

### Ivan Seeking

Staff Emeritus
So much for his Presidential bid. It's truly amazing what a difference a year can make.

8. Nov 9, 2005

### Pengwuino

and the whole... constitution forbidding it thing.... ya know....

I'm truely amazed that Californias are pretty much immune to the fact that our credit rating is down the toilet. I mean if peoples personal credits were down the toilet, hell they never go out, they start taking public transportation, talk with counselors... but eh, if its the states debt, who cares.

Too bad the legislature chose not to work with teh governor and instead decided to waste money on bashing him continuously.

9. Nov 9, 2005

### Skyhunter

I hope having his ego bruised is a wake-up call to him.

You can get away with name calling in an election, especially when you have others to it for you. But to call those opposed to your policies, male and female, "girlie men".

I have never seen an election that was resented as much as this one was, that resentment was reflected in the results.

I personally found all 8 propositions to be inadequate and disjointed in their approach to solving problems. Of course the voter initiative process is probably not the best way to develop comprehensive solutions to complex problems.

10. Nov 9, 2005

### Ivan Seeking

Staff Emeritus
Don't even get me started. Another abomination barely avoided.

11. Nov 9, 2005

### Pengwuino

They would never get that through Congress. Or at least they better not be able to. Arnolds a good guy... good actor... pretty cool to meet in person... but we don't need to be moving heaven and earth to try to keep him around in politics.

I'm still pretty confused as to how we're going to pay off this enormous debt. Who here is ready for a 15% sales tax? Or how bout we tax those hollywood snobs... oh wait, they declare residences in low-tax states or out of country.

12. Nov 9, 2005

### Skyhunter

There were liberal propositions on the ballot?

All I saw was a halfhearted attempt to increase energy utility regulation and a knee jerk reaction to oppose the pharmaceutical lobby.

Schwarzenegger was given a chance and he alienated those that were willing to work with him by the arrogant, dictatorial, way he used his popularity. Now hopefully he has been humbled and will engage the other elected officials in the State to solve the problems facing the State.

13. Nov 9, 2005

### SOS2008

And is not affected by redistricting, right?
I forget the amount reported on the news, but it's an expensive cost to the taxpayers.

The circumvention of the legislature makes me think of the threat of the “nuclear option” to circumvent the filibuster. When those in power want to change the system to pursue their agendas, they forget that when they are no longer in power, the table will turn and it will be them who will suffer from lack of checks and balances.

14. Nov 9, 2005

### franznietzsche

No, morons generally don't

He didn't target teachers and nurses. He targeted union leaders because of the way they govern unions which is HURTING their union members. again, I point to the grocery workers strike. I point to the treasonous state legislature that serves Mexican citizens over californian citizens, thus HURTING those union members whose dues are supporting this legislature.

The legislature should be circumvented. They are guilty of treason. Or did you forget about Jackie Goldberg in a meeting accidently broadcast over speaker phone in the capitol building saying how they were going to punish the people for the recall election?

You know a lot of morons.

You know how much the election cost in comparison to how much this broken democracy-turned-democratic party dictatorship is gonna cost?

And you can be called Presidential material by the democratic party, and then be thrown out of the governor's office a few years later for incompetence.

What he should have been calling the legislators is what they are. Traitors.

The voter initiative is the only way. Its the only thing keeping the state even partially democratic anymore with the democratic-dictatorship for life.

The state is run by the same kind of people who wasted public road money on public BICYCLE transportation (the bikes promptly disappeared into the hands of thieves) because they believe people shouldn't drive cars. How's that for the government serving the people?

So that said how do you think they're gonna pay it off? They won't. People who complain about fiscal incompetence had the national level don't even know how bad its been here under democratic party dictatorship. Arnold is the ONLY elected republican in a statewide office. Before the recall election when Davis was forcibly fired, there was not a single one. And you know what they did with a majority in both houses of the congress and every statewide official? They ran the state into the ground with a $36 billion dollar deficit. Thats more than the GDP of a lot of countries. And this is for a STATE. You think republicans at the national level are fiscally irresponsible (and they are)? You haven't seen anything yet. These people are traitors to their constituents plain and simple. 15. Nov 9, 2005 ### franznietzsche Except you have it entirely backwards. The initiative process is the recourse of the PEOPLE against the government when it no longer serves their interests, which the california government does not. The initiative process is about restoring democracy, keeping power in the hands of the PEOPLE where it belongs, not in the hand of legislators who redraw their districts to make themselves rulers for life with no competition. 16. Nov 9, 2005 ### Skyhunter So when did the legislature tell the governor to hold a special election because they didn't want to work with him? And who's money were they wasting bashing him? When did they spend it? Before or after he decided to have the State of California fund a special election? Spending money on dead ends is not sound fiscal policy. If Arnold can't work with the legislature, and he can't get the voters to grant him more executive power and otherwise to reshape the States political landscape then he is through politically. His and our best interests will be best served if he will work with the legislature. Voters gave him that$50 billion the last election now he needs to make it pay off. Not waste it on special elections.

California does have a single A credit rating, which is the lowest of all rated states.