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Call a spade a spade is the old saying

  1. Jan 27, 2005 #1
    Call a spade a spade is the old saying. I found this article and it struck me with the WTF jaw drop, it appears that a lot of people were on the pay roll. From the Globe and Mail:

    Won't pay columnists to promote policies, Bush vows

    Just how long have these people have been up to this and how many pundits were bought off??? :grumpy: As if it wasn't obvious.

    Who remembers Jessica Lynch?

    A definition just for the heck of it!
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  3. Jan 27, 2005 #2
    It makes you wonder doesn't it...maybe this sort of thing has always been going on and will continue to go on, but things have to get quite bad before it's considered propaganda maybe...anyway, "welcome to the real world", hehe, I want to be a pundit when I grow up!
  4. Jan 27, 2005 #3
    What else is new? :zzz: :zzz: :zzz:
  5. Jan 27, 2005 #4
    The expose'! :bugeye:
  6. Jan 27, 2005 #5
    I have known for long enough that 'NEWS' has served varied interests. Look into Chomsky sometime to read his critiques, he is all about that. The difference now is that this administration has been caught red handed and has used tax dollars for this propoganda. This question is how extensive is the network and how far will this crew go if they feel comfortable enough to be open about it.

    BTW, the connotation of the word does not changed the denotation of it. Of course most people respond to perception 'as if' it was reality and why connotation carries more weight with a lot of people.

    Great, another windbag and pulp waster to squandor resources! :uhh:
  7. Feb 6, 2005 #6
    Very interesting stuff Polyb, after some more thought you know they have vowed to stop now, they admit it was wrong and are very sorry but I have a feeling these are mostly more again, although I'll bet most administrations got away with "covert means of mass public informing" or whatever it's called...It's almost like having a farther who does all the thinking for me.
  8. Feb 6, 2005 #7
    Second political pundit? That's old news. The day directly after Bush made that comment about not paying any more pundits and news-people, a third pundit was revealed as being on The Administration's payroll.

  9. Feb 7, 2005 #8


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    :eek: ... government sanctioned propaganda .... how low can they go ... :devil:
  10. Feb 13, 2005 #9


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    I suppose now there will be an investigation...and questions of how this may have swayed election results...tampering...like Watergate...leading to impeachment proceedings. Yeh, about like there have been investigations into whether intelligence was falsified about Iraq. It really wouldn't matter anyway, because Bush supporters will justify it in some way--like responses that this happens all the time, so what's the big deal?
  11. Feb 14, 2005 #10


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    Well, it does, doesn't it? At least Bush is saying he shouldn't be doing it and plans on stopping. Not that I believe him, but this makes little difference to me anyway as I've learned not to trust the media as a reliable source of information. Someone as cynical as yourself should be a big believer that everyone does this. Even the author of this thread posts quite a bit of factually incorrect propaganda, although granted, it isn't the same coming from a nobody on an internet forum and coming from the president of the USA. Although technically, this might not qualify as propaganda under certain definitions of the term. If you believe any solicited support to be propaganda, then it does. But many will stipulate that to be propaganda, the information disseminated be false, which this article never says took place. The definition posted is a pretty weak definition and under that definition any political commentary whatsoever, whether solicited or otherwise, is propaganda.

    Anyway, it's pretty sick that journalists would do this, and I know they do it all the time, along with making up sources and not confirming others and injecting their own biases into supposedly neutral newscasts. I think I have less respect at this point for most journalists than I do for most politicians.
  12. Feb 14, 2005 #11
    What's wrong with paying newspaper columnists to promote the govt policies. Its just like advertising right?
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    No, it's not ! :mad:

    When you advertise your product, we know that it is you that is trying to sell it to us.

    When you pay a reporter to praise your policy, you are misleading the people into believing that they are reading an independent opinion.

    This is a shameless, despicable, cowardly act !!
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    Yes I can be cynical (and facetious), and yes I believe everyone uses propaganda to some extent. But it seems that since 9-11 things have become extreme, both in practices of politicians and the media, and acceptance by the public. While it probably wasn't a good idea to investigate the PDB after the 9-11 attack, due diligence should have been done prior to invading Iraq, and questioning of the every-changing reasons for the war since. Then came Slampaign 2004, with all-time lows from agencies like FOX News, and now this. Think of all the time and tax dollars spent on something like Whitewater, not so long ago. But now everyone is so complacent, saying this is just the way politics and the media have always been. I don't think it has always been this bad. Maybe I'm too idealistic.
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    By the way, a subscription is required to read the full article. It would be nice to actually know the contents before getting inflamed over them.
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