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B Can a bridge sing?

  1. May 20, 2016 #1

    DaveC426913

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    Don't know how else to head this thread.

    Help me solve this mystery.

    Today, while walking across the bridge in my local park, I noticed a high-pitched tone coming from the corner of the bridge. It probably wouldn't have been noticed by most unless it was pointed out, but I just happened to be walking slow and in the right place.

    The sound was a high-pitched, pure, electronic tone, occasionally interrupted with a slight static sound, as if jiggling a connection. Other than that occasional crackling, the tone was absolutely steady in volume and pitch.

    It was not ringing in my ears.I am acquainted with ringing in the ears. This was externally locatable.

    I stopped and listened closely. At first intrigued, I became downright perplexed. I zeroed on the sound, coming from the steel corner of the bridge itself. I walked all around, including getting down on my knees near the grass on the outside of the bridge to see if maybe there was a dropped cellphone or something (half expecting to find a dead body :eek:).

    There was a certain amount of destructive and constructive interference, meaning if I moved or rotated my head by just a few inches, the sound would seem to almost vanish, until I moved or rotated my head again. But after about 50 samplings (which took about 5 minutes), from every direction and distance, I was able to locate it within a couple of inches (see pic). It was literally coming from the flat I-beam steel of the bridge - not from the horizontal ribs. I could aurally locate it with that level of accuracy. I could look right at the exact spot from less than a foot away. I touched the steel in a number of places but it did not affect the sound at all.

    The obvious explanation is a electrical conduit running through the bridge. I checked both ends and both sides of the bridge for any electrical connections, to no avail. The bridge is unlit.

    It was noon, on a warm, sunny day, with no inclement weather, and I was completely sober.

    When I came back to the spot 6 hours later, it was not making the noise anymore. (That's when I took this pic)

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  3. May 20, 2016 #2

    DaveC426913

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    I will be back at that spot over the weekend. Maybe my tone will be there again.

    If anyone has some suggestions about tests I might run, I'm all ears.

    I have a multi-meter on my boat, though I'm not sure how I might use it effectively. I guess I could bring a 'live circuit detector' that I use when doing reno's.
     
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  4. May 21, 2016 #3
    I'm going with:

    A) Heat expansion causing vibrations in the hollow steel tube rails,
    B) Air currents doing same,
    C) Flowing water in contact with bridge supports below, or
    D) Some distant source of noise resonating in the rails.
     
  5. May 21, 2016 #4
    My thoughts:
    Sunny day.
    Pipes are heating up.
    Small hole in a pipe.
    Whistling sound as the air exits.
    Static sounds from pipe movements.

    Whether the sound is actually being produced at the circled location is questionable.
     
  6. May 21, 2016 #5

    Nidum

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    This is probably due to the accidental excitation of one of the bridges natural frequencies of vibration .

    Same basic principle as hitting a suspended metal bar or tube with a metal hammer .

    In large objects of complex construction these vibrations can sustain for several minutes .

    Actual mechanism of excitation for your bridge may be hard to track down . Try :

    Observing what happens when different combinations of walkers and bike riders cross the bridge .
    Tapping the actual rails in question and the other metal parts in the same area with a small metal hammer . Be sure to include the long rails that go right across the bridge .

    You say weather was mild . So this may not be immediately relevant but bridges can sometimes be heard to emit ' Aeolian Tones '. These are musical notes caused by the wind passing over the rails . They can sometimes excite structural vibration as well .
     
  7. May 21, 2016 #6

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    Also try listening to the sound at different locations with a contact engineers stethoscope . If you haven't got a posh one then use a screwdriver .
     
  8. May 21, 2016 #7

    DaveC426913

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    Yeah but it was definitely an electronic or electrical tone, not a whistle. And it was perfectly steady in pitch and amplitude. Even when mutiple people navigating the bridge.


    I wondered about this too.


    Yep. Did this. Multliple people crossed the bridge (with eyebrows raised in my direction) and I listened carefully. Absolutely no change in pitch or amplitude.
    I grabbed each pipe to see if that made any difference. It did not.

    Yeah. Though of that too. Definitely electrical or electronic. Perfectly stable in pitch and volume.

    Imagine the sound an aging TV makes. That high-pitched, steady, perfectly modular tone.

    Somewhere in the 7000-9000 Hz range.


    I'll try that.
     
  9. May 21, 2016 #8

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    I went back today at the same time. Of course, my tone did not deign to make its presence known.

    It turns out there is a lamppost 8-10 feet before the bridge. I am going to conclude that this is the culprit.

    Whether it be from something funny with the bulb or whether this lamppost has an extension that crosses the bridge, I don't know, but it is the most likely source of the sound.
     
  10. May 21, 2016 #9
    I don't know if a bridge can sing, but apparently it can whistle. :wink:

    "There was a certain amount of destructive and constructive interference, meaning if I moved or rotated my head by just a few inches, the sound would seem to almost vanish, until I moved or rotated my head again."

    I've been told that sometimes you can stand on an athletic field and hear a tone due to the seats in the stands causing interference, as a diffraction grating does for light.
     
  11. May 23, 2016 #10

    DaveC426913

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    Hah. I got the sound on audio.


    Definitely electronic. Square or triangle wave.

    I was wrong about the freq. More like 800Hz.
    And it does vary, just a little. Drifted up to 850Hz.
     
  12. May 23, 2016 #11
    Non-electronic sources can still result in a similar waveform as electronic waveforms.

    Your bridge could also be part of the path to ground for the lamp you mentioned. This would change the tone depending on soil dampness, notably it would follow the landscaping irrigation schedule. If I'm not mistaken, there is a method for measuring for this by sticking probes into the dirt to measure resistance. If the bridge is a path to ground, it could be a hazard. You might make a call to the relevant maintenance authority.
     
  13. May 24, 2016 #12

    DaveC426913

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    You're the second person to suggest that.

    I called a passerby over to have a listen. He heard it and made the same suggestion.
     
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