Can Artificial Intelligence ever reach Human Intelligence?

AI ever equal to Human Intelligence?

51 vote(s)
56.7%
2. No

39 vote(s)
43.3%
1. Sep 18, 2005

StykFacE

1st time post here.... thought i'd post up something that causes much debate over... but a good topic. ;-) (please keep it level-minded and not a heated argument)

Question: Can Artificial Intelligence ever reach Human Intelligence?

2. Sep 18, 2005

Pengwuino

I'm pretty sure my cell phone has more intelligence then some of the people I have met....

3. Sep 18, 2005

StykFacE

lol, funny.

so your cell phone can think on its own? that's a pretty smart cell phone you got there.

4. Sep 18, 2005

Pengwuino

No it can't think on its own. Now think of those implications.

5. Sep 18, 2005

StykFacE

whether humans make smart, or dumb, desicions, the level of complexity is far greater than a computer will ever be.

i think that's what makes the difference mostly.

6. Sep 19, 2005

pallidin

Though not strictly artificial intelligence, right now I am using a program called Dragon NaturallySpeaking version 8 to dictate my comment and have these words translated into text automatically.

7. Sep 19, 2005

StykFacE

so what is the point....? lol, i'm not sure i follow....
AI vs human intelligence is the issue at hand. ;-)

8. Sep 19, 2005

Pengwuino

I believe that program does have to make "decisions" on what your speech patterns mean and all.

9. Sep 19, 2005

StykFacE

no, a program is.... "programmed". lol, it only does what it was programmed to do. there is no decision making process. a computer merely calculates numbers, and that's all a computer will ever do, no matter how advanced. ;-)

10. Sep 19, 2005

Pengwuino

11. Sep 19, 2005

StykFacE

12. Sep 19, 2005

Pengwuino

Most people who deal with AI have better definitions then this when it comes to AI. Your basically saying the only platform AI is going to be used with is intrinsically incapable of using AI.

13. Sep 19, 2005

kishtik

How do you know that we do not do the same thing? As Pengwuino stated, your definition is useless.

What is a decision making process? Think of it as you are studying,
OR
One way of thinking of AI (and making so-called intelligent robots) is that taking a pleasure function as a base and letting the machine decide which action avbailable makes it increase the most. This places instincts. For example a robot's bumping into a wall decreases its p. function but recharging its battery increases it and so on. What would you get? Robots addicted to charge, as we may be addicted to sex etc.

14. Sep 19, 2005

neurocomp2003

sure can if you can code 100billion neurons and 10000synapse on average per neuron and given it the sensory/motor skills of a human. It might work a bit slower sorta like a child....but there are movements in california and colorado to build hardware...and i already think colorado has a machine thats like 3-4 years old can't remember what its called though. ohoh did i forgot to mention you gotta raise it for like 10-15 years.

15. Sep 19, 2005

Zantra

If you mean "raw intelligence", computers can already beat the best chess champions in the world, so I'm certain that surpassing human intelligence in complexity (think multi-tasking to the extreme) is inevitable. But programming it with emotions and intuitiveness could prove to be much more complexed. You're trying to teach a computer to ignore logic based on a "feeling". In that sense it would be very difficult to emulate us.

However the deeper question I think, isn't weather or not we CAN do this, but if we SHOULD. Machines with superior intelligence who are self aware may constitute a threat if they are given sufficient power and control. The counter to this of course, is that we simply keep them in the box and don't give them arms and legs to pummel us with. However society craves simplicity and convenience- the draw of a robot nanny may be too much to resist.

16. Sep 19, 2005

neurocomp2003

if you keep them in a box and take off the limbs how are you they going to grow =]..i mean what if we were to do that to a baby.

17. Sep 19, 2005

Blahness

Humans can be creative; Computers cannot.

Creativity makes Humans different from Computers.

It's possible, but what'll the telltale difference between AI and Real I be?

That, and if computers had free will, what makes us so sure of no revolt?

Above the above poster's post, shortened into 3 sentences, and agreed with.

18. Sep 19, 2005

StykFacE

great statement, this is the kind of talk i'm looking for. however.... can we ever 'create' an artificial conscience, for a computer to actually think on its own, with emotions and feelings? sure, bots and computers can simulate us very much so, but there's still a difference. i think that's a key thought.... conscience. that is a very complex intelligence in itself.

19. Sep 19, 2005

neurocomp2003

"Creativity makes Humans different from Computers" ?!?!?!? whose to say computers can't be creative? you ever seen someone code a program with 90%
precompiler directives?

20. Sep 19, 2005

StykFacE

could a computer ever have a "gut feeling" regarding a situation?

could perhaps a computer ever physically feel pain from an emotion?

21. Sep 19, 2005

neurocomp2003

sure. give it similar pain sensory receptors to a human than evolve it by coding billiions of neurons and trillions of synapse. Don't forget a child is born 9 months before it actually comes outta teh womb. Does it feel guts/pain while in the womb...perhaps...but how does that come to be?

Then when the child grows up it begins to know these sensations. What you expect outta a computer is to instantly have these sensations..why?

22. Sep 19, 2005

abdo375

I think your question should be weather or not in the future we will be able to make a computer think and feel like a human
my answer is not in the near future but i think eventually we are going to get there
the way i see it is that the problem is with the software rather than the hardware to be able to develop a program that can make one single decision will be a huge leap in the field.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artificial_intelligence

23. Sep 19, 2005

StykFacE

hmmm, "pain sensory receptors".....? is this something that will physically make the computer 'feel', or simply receptors that tell the central processing unit that it's 'feeling' pain, then it reacts to it.

lol, sorry but i'm having a hard time believing that something, that is not alive, can actually feel pain.

yes we have 'receptors', but when it tells are brain that there is pain, we literally feel it.

;-)

24. Sep 19, 2005

neurocomp2003

how do you define alive...are we not the sum of our components?

"but when it tells are brain that there is pain, we literally" so are you talking about in the faked sense?

25. Sep 19, 2005

StykFacE

What I’m talking about, is the difference in "the human brain and the human conscience". they are not within the same. The human brain is that of a computer system - it calculates data, keeps our body running properly, so forth. However, it does not coincide with the conscience - physically. That is the complexity, and technology, that computers will never reach. I'll explain....

Say a person has brain surgery and lost 20% of their brain due to a tumor, but lives. Do you lose 20% of your personality? or 20% of your conscience? (remember I’m talking about someone who lives and still has 100% functionality in life as before). No, you do not lose anything. That's because the conscience and brain are separate entities.

Now, say a highly advanced computer system that has the highest AI available in the future, so far advanced you cannot tell the difference in it and a human. Now take 20% of its CPU. What would you think would happen? The complexity and technology of the human brain & conscience together is the intelligence a computer will never reach. A conscience does not consist of particles or matter. You cannot create one for a highly advanced computer system. A computer will only be programmed, with learning capabilities at best.

IMO of course.

;-)