Can Carbon Fiber Revolutionize Mass Car Production?

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The discussion revolves around the potential for carbon fiber technology to revolutionize mass car production, particularly in light of a recent announcement by a Japanese company regarding a new process for creating lightweight car frames. Participants explore the feasibility, implications, and historical context of advancements in carbon fiber manufacturing.

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  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express skepticism about the feasibility of mass-producing carbon fiber structures, questioning whether the advancements reported are truly viable given previous limitations in speed and cost.
  • Others suggest that the evolution of manufacturing processes has made significant strides since the era of handmade parts, implying that improvements may have been overlooked.
  • A participant draws a parallel between the current developments in carbon fiber and past technological advancements in consumer electronics, suggesting that market demand has driven innovation.
  • Concerns are raised regarding the broader socio-political context that may influence technological progress, with references to public perceptions of science and environmental issues affecting innovation in certain regions.
  • One participant acknowledges the painful reality of market dynamics and innovation, indicating a recognition of the complexities involved in technological advancements.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the feasibility of mass production of carbon fiber structures. There are competing views regarding the implications of recent advancements and the factors influencing technological innovation.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations in understanding the specific technological advancements and market dynamics that have enabled the new carbon fiber production process, as well as the socio-political factors that may impact innovation.

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http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2011/03/0...nces-breakthrough-in-carbon-fiber-technology/

CNN Blog said:
Japanese company on Wednesday said it has developed a process to make lightweight car frames at mass production speeds, a process that could make vehicles more efficient and save energy.

Teijin Limited said in a press release it can mold an automobile frame of carbon fiber reinforced plastic in under 60 seconds.

"The breakthrough overcomes one of the biggest challenges in the industry and represents a long stride toward the use of carbon fiber for the mass production of automobiles and other products," the company's statement said.

The company said it has developed an electric vehicle to show the advantages of its new carbon fiber composite. The frame of the vehicle weighs only 47 kilograms (103 pounds), a fifth of what a metal counterpart would weigh, it said.

Previous molding processes for a car frame took at least five minutes each, the company said, making it unsuitable for mass production. With the new method taking less than a minute, efficient mass production is possible, it said.

Teijin plans to develop applications for the carbon fiber in making machine tools and industrial robots as well as automobiles, the statement said.

Is this really feasible? I was under the impression that mass production of carbon fiber structures like this was still too slow and the fiber too expensive to make?

Obviously I'm wrong, but what happned to make this possible?
 
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"Obviously I'm wrong, but what happned to make this possible?"

Processes are developing since the good old days of hand made parts?
 
dlgoff said:
"Obviously I'm wrong, but what happned to make this possible?"

Processes are developing since the good old days of hand made parts?

Heh, yeah... but with carbon fiber? I feel like a blinked and missed something...
 
All that happened was that somebody realized how big the market is. This is no different in principle from the development of cheap digital cameras, computer printers, etc.

Of course if you live in a country where 40% of the population thinks religion trumps science, and a large number think global warming is a myth, that may explain why the innovations are happening some place else.

The 3-years-late-and-counting Boeing 787 is hardly a shining example of successful technological innovation, but check out where the composite material components are coming from. The answer isn't Seattle.
 
AlephZero said:
All that happened was that somebody realized how big the market is. This is no different in principle from the development of cheap digital cameras, computer printers, etc.

Of course if you live in a country where 40% of the population thinks religion trumps science, and a large number think global warming is a myth, that may explain why the innovations are happening some place else.

The 3-years-late-and-counting Boeing 787 is hardly a shining example of successful technological innovation, but check out where the composite material components are coming from. The answer isn't Seattle.

Ooof... well, I guess that counts as the obvious answer, and the best one... bit painful, but also undeniable.

Thanks AlephZero!
 

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